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Re: WAAF General Meeting

Post  Federation of Antanares on Fri Jul 26, 2013 2:57 am

We understand the Eurussia's position. Antanares thinks is time to reform WAAF. It's true during the last crisis we don't operate how it's request to an important organisation like the World Alliance Armed Force. We were disorganized and inconclusive. A reform is that WAAF needs now. A reform that allow us to operate better, for the good of WA. With only good intentions nothing is possible.
Antanares hope we can reform the WAAF in small time. Yes, we are an Armed Force and we must operate like an armed force. But we must work together the Security Council and other organisation of WA. When diplomacy failed, we intervene. There is a lot of work to do and we hope all members of WAAF would to accept this delicate work that is a restructuring.

And, despite during the last crisis WAAF don't work at the maximum of its capacity, we don't think we did the worst work possible. Dromoda announced an attack and we moved in consequence. Not with a militarist behavior, only with the will to avoid a war. Next time I hope WAAF's members can work better and faster and demonstrate that we are ready to defend the integrity, the structure and the members of WA.

Ear the last words of delegate of USE, we think also is not necessary only search the support of other organisation. Antanares think WAAF must operate with maximum liberty is possible, without get out from the rules of WA.
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Eurussian Position

Post  Great Eurussia on Fri Jul 26, 2013 3:20 am



"Eurussia supports the initiatives of the European Secretary General for the WAAF."
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Re: WAAF General Meeting

Post  New Tarajan on Tue Jul 30, 2013 2:51 am

"New Tarajan officialy support the motion of the Secretary General.
However, we believe to be not necessary for the strenghtening of the WAAF to be more strictly connected to the CSSN. As its name implies, indeed, the WAAF must find its fundamentals in the World Alliance in its entirety. Any case, we offer our support to the re-organization efforts."
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Proposals to reform the WAAF

Post  United States of Europe on Thu Aug 01, 2013 6:29 pm

So, to reorganize the WAAF in a better way, I thought the first two reforms, a central and a local.

A territorial division, with areas of exclusive competence.
These areas correspond to every continent.
For each area of ​​expertise WAAF, a nation will be chosen, of course dell'organizzazzione limbs, which will have the role of supervisor.
Oversee and coordinate the movements of the WAAF forces in the area, as well as to control the political life at local, so you can promptly notify the WAAF in case of threat.
In this nation will be based on WAAF Forces Command Region.
Thus, a nation of supervision and control for each continent, a Command Region for each continent.
In this way, the branched WAAF will be better and more ubiquitous.

At the central level, at the Security Council, must be a representative of the WAAF, which must be a member of the WAAF same.
He will consider the possibility of an intervention organization to prevent any threat of own initiative or on the recommendation of one of the nations supervisionatrici (which I mentioned above).
To organize the intervention itself (military, diplomatic or economic) will be operating the executor, a role that will be played by one of the member nations, which will develop the mission (the usual texts that I usually elaborate).
After that, the member nations will join the mission or discuss any points to be clarified.

As regards the Rapid Deployment Forces, may also be used without the autorizzazzione the nation to which they belong, given that it is accepted to grant only and exclusively for purposes of WAAF.
 
I would like to know what you think.
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Eurussian Position

Post  Great Eurussia on Thu Aug 01, 2013 7:04 pm



Eurussia fully supports any reforms to make the WAAF more efficient on performing its duties to the World Alliance without being hostage to the international politics that makes it inefficient. In this note, we are proposing the following policies to the WAAF and call a General Assembly so as the WAAF could adopt these as policy.

* All member states shall be required to designate an peacekeeping (reserve but active) force that is composed of 100 units from the army, 100 units from the navy, 100 units from the air force, 1 vehicle from the army, 1 ship from the navy, and 1 aircraft from the air force which shall be under the command of a state appointed commander and shall not be deployed anywhere but only through a request from the WAAF Secretary General.

* In support of the above proposal, the WAAF shall enumerate the scenarios in which the Secretary General shall be given the free hand to deploy these peacekeeping forces anywhere in the world from any point of the world and a notice shall be given to the commander in chief of the deploying state without waiting for any permission.

Our government is against anything that might affect our nation's sovereignty but the above propositions are directly opposite to such as we believe that being a responsible member of the WAAF, we entrust these peacekeeping forces to the WAAF to achieve peace.
Eurussia hopes for the immediate adoption of these.
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Re: WAAF General Meeting

Post  Federation of Antanares on Thu Aug 01, 2013 9:43 pm

We agree with your proposals but we have some doubts about.
For example, what are the powers of every regional commander? What exactly he can do? Intervene with peacekeepers troops?

And also, for the proposal of Eurussia, the peacekeeping force who it propose is to weak. 300 men and 3 units? It's futile, also we just have the RDF.
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Eurussian Position

Post  Great Eurussia on Thu Aug 01, 2013 10:23 pm



Let me clarify that in numbers, it may be too small, but comprising all member states combined is sufficient enough for initial responses. Because those numbers are under the direct command of the WAAF Secretary General at his disposal. If the reserve force (it is also the RDF by the way the difference is that it will be required and mandatory) becomes too large under the disposal of the WAAF, some nations might react on it.
Anyways, WAAF is not engaging on wars, it's a peacekeeping force and if their presence is not enough, WAAF can then request for reinforcements.
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Re: WAAF General Meeting

Post  Federation of Antanares on Thu Aug 01, 2013 11:48 pm

Yes, I understand but I think, for do a optimal first response we need more troops. They should to do the first line of defense and a pressure counter who want to rouse the caos.
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Re: WAAF General Meeting

Post  Federation of Antanares on Sun Aug 04, 2013 3:59 am

After the recent declaration of war from Ultra-nationalist Russia vs Shirouma (http://worldalliance.postalboard.com/t211-cssn-shirouma-ultranationalist-russia-war) I propose the start of a peacekeeping mission. What I propose is to send troops to Shirouma and help them to defend against the invasion forces of Russia. After the defeat of the first wave of enemy and when Russia realize that this war can't continue if there are WAAF to help Shirouma, we can start a diplomatic mission and treat a peace treaty.
Antanares forces are just ready to intervene. I suggest to move fast to avoid civilians victims and also to avoid a real escalation. Now we can intervene and stop the war but if we wait too much time we risk a total war.
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New Agenda - Shirouma-Russia conflict

Post  United States of Europe on Sun Aug 04, 2013 6:24 pm

Shirouma is a member of the WAAF, and therefore will not let you alone against another attempt of imperialist expansionism.
Here we have a text of the mission, the members of the WAAF follow and which is open to participation by other nations.

Operation "WAAF FOR Stopping imperialism in Shirouma"
Preamble 
We are facing yet another attempt of a nation vile imperialist and to expand their territories at the expense of peaceful nations and quiet.
Another attempt at neo-colonial expansionism at the expense of another nation, who is also a member of the WAAF.
So, it is our duty to take firm action to stop the invasion and stop the war.

Phase 1 of the mission - Block naval air against "Russian ultranationalist" to prevent an invasion
Around the coasts of the "Russian ultra-nationalist" and other strategic points, especially near Shirouma, will be placed military fleets, with air and naval component.
In this way we will form a kind of block naval and air against the rogue nation, which thus will have no possibility of movement to implement the invasion.
The waters will be closely monitored, especially with the help of advanced radar equipment, such as AWACS aircraft and "ship radar.
The use of any satellites can be useful.
All enemy units that try to break the blockade, will be recalled and removed, and, in extreme cases, even destroyed.
In addition, all civilian ships entering or leaving the "ultranationalist Russia" will have to be searched, to prevent them being made ​​illegal military transports.
Obviously, any encroachment on the territorial waters or airspace enemy is prohibited, to avoid escalation.
Given that many countries have already sent their forces, this action is almost complete.
Will only reinforced by the Rapid Deployment Forces.
We also call on nations close enough to Russia ultranationalist and Shirouma to provide its military bases to other nations and the Rapid Deployment Forces.
This is to facilitate logistics operations.

Phase 2 of the mission - Economic pressures
We demand economic pressures towards the "Russia ultranationalist" that the push to avoid a cnflitto.
We ask the various nations to stop the trade routes, naval and air, to and from the rogue nation.
We demand to stop all exports to that country, and also to block goods from it.
In addition, we demand the withdrawal of the investments made in the "Russia ultra-nationalist."
Economic pressures may prevent a conflict.

Phase 3 of the Mission - Diplomatic Pressures
We also ask, diplomatic pressure against the "Russia ultra-nationalist."
Any kind of diplomatic pressure, even attempts at mediation, which may in any way cause Russia to desist.

Possibility of Counterattack
We ask nations to prevent trespassing into enemy territory and, in the case of attempts to force the naval blockade by the latter, to resort to violence are in extreme cases.
For the moment, the possibility of counterattack is excluded, because we want to avoid conflicts and possible escalation.
However, we ask that in the fleets of naval blockades and also includes a terrestrial component assault, just in case.
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For the adhesion

Post  United States of Europe on Sun Aug 04, 2013 6:29 pm

OOC: Here are the guidelines to adhere to the mission.
Use it for proper adhesion.
For any questions, do not hesitate to ask.
 
Guidelines for the commitment to the mission
Country Name:
Adhesion military (yes or no):
Extent of military forces brought into play:
If you want to put its bases available to other participating nations (yes or no):
Adherence to the economic strategy (yes or no):
Adherence to the diplomatic strategy (yes or no):
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Re: WAAF General Meeting

Post  Federation of Antanares on Sun Aug 04, 2013 6:44 pm

Antanares will participate to this operation but now we must change the goal: North Rebordja support Russia and we must crack down it with its allies.
Also, ASSIS had invited the government to observe well Rebordja and its crusade. We think we must think them too.
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Re: WAAF General Meeting

Post  New Tarajan on Sun Aug 04, 2013 6:57 pm

Country Name: Federal Aristocratic Kingdom of New Tarajan
Adhesion military (yes or no): Yes
Extent of military forces brought into play: 1st, 3rd, 4th and 5th Fleets; land troops to be decided
If you want to put its bases available to other participating nations (yes or no): Yes
Adherence to the economic strategy (yes or no): Yes
Adherence to the diplomatic strategy (yes or no): Yes

We agree with Antanares regarding Rebordja. The government of New Tarajan have yet delivered a note to them asking the withdrawal of their troops. If they'll not answer we have to presume that they support the vile attack on Shirouma.
Also, Rebordja has attacked Aloia, with a biological attack on Port Royale, Aloian capital city. We ask for an immediate WAAF intervention. The entire region is burning, and we cannnot sit down watching the fire spreading.
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Re: WAAF General Meeting

Post  Texania on Sun Aug 04, 2013 8:39 pm

Country Name:Republic of Texania
Adhesion military (yes or no):Yes
Extent of military forces brought into play:Varies(above a total of 100,000 troops)
If you want to put its bases available to other participating nations (yes or no):Yes
Adherence to the economic strategy (yes or no):Yes
Adherence to the diplomatic strategy (yes or no):Yes
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Re: WAAF General Meeting

Post  United States of Europe on Sun Aug 04, 2013 9:51 pm

New Tarajan wrote:Country Name: Federal Aristocratic Kingdom of New Tarajan
Adhesion military (yes or no): Yes
Extent of military forces brought into play: 1st, 3rd, 4th and 5th Fleets; land troops to be decided
If you want to put its bases available to other participating nations (yes or no): Yes
Adherence to the economic strategy (yes or no): Yes
Adherence to the diplomatic strategy (yes or no): Yes

We agree with Antanares regarding Rebordja. The government of New Tarajan have yet delivered a note to them asking the withdrawal of their troops. If they'll not answer we have to presume that they support the vile attack on Shirouma.
Also, Rebordja has attacked Aloia, with a biological attack on Port Royale, Aloian capital city. We ask for an immediate WAAF intervention. The entire region is burning, and we cannnot sit down watching the fire spreading.

 As for aid of Rebordja to Russia, no problem.
As mentioned explicitly in the text of the mission, all ships, including civil courts, which are directed towards Russia or coming out of that country will be blocked and searched.
In this way, we will avoid illegal military supplies.
Regarding Aloia, we keep the Rapid Deployment Forces ready to take action against Rebordja, but threats do not seem series.
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Re: WAAF General Meeting

Post  Federation of Antanares on Sun Aug 04, 2013 11:03 pm

Country Name: Federation of Antanares
Adhesion military (yes or no): Yes
Extent of military forces brought into play: 1st and 2nd fleet with support of four mechanized's division and four air squads.
If you want to put its bases available to other participating nations (yes or no): Yes
Adherence to the economic strategy (yes or no): Yes
Adherence to the diplomatic strategy (yes or no): Yes

Also, Antanares would prepare an offensive counter Rebordja to set fire the drug's camp and eliminate the military's industry, to avoid other attacks to Aloia and also to other nations.
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Re: WAAF General Meeting

Post  Marquette (of Pacific) on Sun Aug 04, 2013 11:07 pm

Marquette wishes to work with the WAAF, as long as we are not obliged to join the WAAF.
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Re: WAAF General Meeting

Post  United States of Europe on Mon Aug 05, 2013 9:28 pm

Perfect, thanks to our efforts Shirouma is safe, Russia withdrew from the invasion and did not receive military aid from Rebordja.
Now dobbiame go to the fourth phase of the mission, the consequences for the rogue state.
What do you propose?
I would propose a smilitarizzazzione but not too aggressive, the overthrow of the dictatorship of Stalin and the start of a process of democratization of the nation.
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Re: WAAF General Meeting

Post  Texania on Tue Aug 06, 2013 4:47 am

United States of Europe wrote:Perfect, thanks to our efforts Shirouma is safe, Russia withdrew from the invasion and did not receive military aid from Rebordja.
Now dobbiame go to the fourth phase of the mission, the consequences for the rogue state.
What do you propose?
I would propose a smilitarizzazzione but not too aggressive, the overthrow of the dictatorship of Stalin and the start of a process of democratization of the nation.

I propose we each get a small bit of land for a military base in case of further uproar by russia.
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Re: WAAF General Meeting

Post  Dromoda on Tue Aug 06, 2013 5:38 am

Texania wrote:
United States of Europe wrote:Perfect, thanks to our efforts Shirouma is safe, Russia withdrew from the invasion and did not receive military aid from Rebordja.
Now dobbiame go to the fourth phase of the mission, the consequences for the rogue state.
What do you propose?
I would propose a smilitarizzazzione but not too aggressive, the overthrow of the dictatorship of Stalin and the start of a process of democratization of the nation.

I propose we each get a small bit of land for a military base in case of further uproar by russia.


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Re: WAAF General Meeting

Post  Federation of Antanares on Tue Aug 06, 2013 5:46 am

Antanares approve. I think an international military base could give stability to the region.
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Re: WAAF General Meeting

Post  Texania on Tue Aug 06, 2013 5:49 am

I think this should be where the international base is.
It is a great location for naval deployment in the area.

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Re: WAAF General Meeting

Post  United States of Europe on Wed Aug 07, 2013 3:17 am

Demilitarization is something too heavy, would ultimately weigh heavily on Russia.
Would seize virtually reduced to a colony.
The Russian people would not accept it, and rise up against us.
We see this as "colonizers" and this could be exploited for the benefit of Stalin and his government.
Instead, the Russian people must see us as liberators by the totalitarian dictatorship.
We must make sure that the entire government to resign Stalin, and start a process of democratization in Russia.
Above all, once democratized, we should increase investment in economic Russia for develop the economy and create a good state apparatus.
In this way, the Russian people certainly sympathize with us.
In addition, we should have more covenants and friendship with that country.
In this way, protremo better control of the nation, and tighten the belt in case of problems.
If we do this, probably the Russian people will accept a place on our military presence, with an international basis.

The base would be open to international forces of the nations that participated in the mission against Russia, even those who have not joined officially and Shirouma.
Preferably, the place should be allocated Rapid Deployment Forces of the WAAF, if nations are membre of the organization.

What do you think?


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Re: WAAF General Meeting

Post  Dromoda on Wed Aug 07, 2013 3:21 am

United States of Europe wrote:Demilitarization is something too heavy, would ultimately weigh heavily on Russia.
Would seize virtually reduced to a colony.
The Russian people would not accept it, and rise up against us.
We see this as "colonizers" and this could be exploited for the benefit of Stalin and his government.
Instead, the Russian people must see us as liberators by the totalitarian dictatorship.
We must make sure that the entire government to resign Stalin, and start a process of democratization in Russia.
Above all, once democratized, we should increase investment in economic Russiaper to develop the economy and create a good state apparatus.
In this way, the Russian people certainly sympathize with us.
In addition, we should have more covenants and friendship with that country.
In this way, protremo better control of the nation, and tighten the belt in case of problems.
If we do this, probably the Russian people will accept a place on our military presence, with an international basis.

The base would be open to international forces of the nations that participated in the mission against Russia, even those who have not joined officially and Shirouma.
Preferably, the place should be allocated Rapid Deployment Forces of the WAAF, if nations are membre of the organization.

What do you think?

well we dont agree with the democratization part
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Re: WAAF General Meeting

Post  United States of Europe on Wed Aug 07, 2013 4:00 am

Dromoda wrote:
United States of Europe wrote:Demilitarization is something too heavy, would ultimately weigh heavily on Russia.
Would seize virtually reduced to a colony.
The Russian people would not accept it, and rise up against us.
We see this as "colonizers" and this could be exploited for the benefit of Stalin and his government.
Instead, the Russian people must see us as liberators by the totalitarian dictatorship.
We must make sure that the entire government to resign Stalin, and start a process of democratization in Russia.
Above all, once democratized, we should increase investment in economic Russiaper to develop the economy and create a good state apparatus.
In this way, the Russian people certainly sympathize with us.
In addition, we should have more covenants and friendship with that country.
In this way, protremo better control of the nation, and tighten the belt in case of problems.
If we do this, probably the Russian people will accept a place on our military presence, with an international basis.

The base would be open to international forces of the nations that participated in the mission against Russia, even those who have not joined officially and Shirouma.
Preferably, the place should be allocated Rapid Deployment Forces of the WAAF, if nations are membre of the organization.

What do you think?

well we dont agree with the democratization part

 We have to do it, is a must.
The Russian people not appreciate a smitilarizzazione and a foreign presence in their national soil.
May arise, and Stalin would take advantage to strengthen his powers, increase its consensus and act against us once again.
Unless we do something for the Russian people.
So bring down the dictatorship, by dismissing the current government, and initiate a process of democratization.
Then, invest resources in Russia to make it develop economically and to create a good state apparatus.
In this way, we will check the best government of the new democratic Russia, and the people will see us as liberators.
So, we can safely maintain a massive military presence in that country.
In addition, we do not risk it a return to the government of Stalin, and not even revolutions and revolts in his name.
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