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Post  New Tarajan on Sun Nov 24, 2013 7:25 pm

REGIONAL TREATY REGISTRY
Authored by the Federal Aristocratic Kingdom of New Tarajan

Member of the World Alliance Royalist Party (WARP)
Member of the WA Parliament and the WA Council


The World Alliance Parliament

Acknowledging
that there is the need, for every country, to be constantly informed about the signature of treaties between other States or Organizations, and their true content, to make an effective and efficient foreign policy;
that the Court of Justice should be called to judge upon the effectiveness or extension, or other related problems, of a Treaty, thus requiring a reliable, official version of the Treaty itself;
that the respect of the clauses of a Treaty is far more possible if the Treaty itself is publicly submitted

Mandates
that every Treaty or Founding Charter of International Organizations or Associations (outside for the ones created through acts of the World Alliance Government), or International Convention, or bilateral and multi-lateral treaties and agreements between States, must be duly registered in the Regional Treaty Registry in their full content, in the case the participants to such documents wish to have the World Alliance as bailee of the effectiveness of the documents.


OOC:
To improve the readability of the thread, I suggest to divide it into two sections: one for treaties related to Organizations, Associations or Conventions, and the second one for bilateral or multi-lateral treaties and agreements between States.


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Post  Great Eurussia on Sun Nov 24, 2013 10:31 pm

New Tarajan wrote:
REGIONAL TREATY REGISTRY
Authored by the Federal Aristocratic Kingdom of New Tarajan

Member of the World Alliance Royalist Party (WARP)
Member of the WA Parliament and the WA Council


The World Alliance Parliament

Acknowledging
that there is the need, for every country, to be constantly informed about the signature of treaties between other States or Organizations, and their true content, to make an effective and efficient foreign policy;
that the Court of Justice should be called to judge upon the effectiveness or extension, or other related problems, of a Treaty, thus requiring a reliable, official version of the Treaty itself;
that the respect of the clauses of a Treaty is far more possible if the Treaty itself is publicly submitted

Mandates
that every Treaty or Founding Charter of International Organizations or Associations (outside for the ones created through acts of the World Alliance Government), or International Convention, or bilateral and multi-lateral treaties and agreements between States, must be duly registered in the Regional Treaty Registry in their full content, in the case the participants to such documents wish to have the World Alliance as bailee of the effectiveness of the documents.

Every State will continue to be free to conclude treaties without registration. However, in this case, the World Alliance and the Court of Justice should not be called as bailees of their effective respect.


OOC:
To improve the readability of the thread, I suggest to divide it into two sections: one for treaties related to Organizations, Associations or Conventions, and the second one for bilateral or multi-lateral treaties and agreements between States.
Eurussia seeks clarification to the highlighted provision above.
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Re: (Rejected) Regional Treaty Registry

Post  Marquette (of Pacific) on Sun Nov 24, 2013 11:24 pm

A debating period for this bill has begun, and will end at 0:00 (GMT) on the 27th of November, 2013. After which, a voting period will ensue and end at 0:00 (GMT) on the 30th of November, 2013.
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Re: (Rejected) Regional Treaty Registry

Post  New Tarajan on Sun Nov 24, 2013 11:54 pm

Great Eurussia wrote:
New Tarajan wrote:
REGIONAL TREATY REGISTRY
Authored by the Federal Aristocratic Kingdom of New Tarajan

Member of the World Alliance Royalist Party (WARP)
Member of the WA Parliament and the WA Council


The World Alliance Parliament

Acknowledging
that there is the need, for every country, to be constantly informed about the signature of treaties between other States or Organizations, and their true content, to make an effective and efficient foreign policy;
that the Court of Justice should be called to judge upon the effectiveness or extension, or other related problems, of a Treaty, thus requiring a reliable, official version of the Treaty itself;
that the respect of the clauses of a Treaty is far more possible if the Treaty itself is publicly submitted

Mandates
that every Treaty or Founding Charter of International Organizations or Associations (outside for the ones created through acts of the World Alliance Government), or International Convention, or bilateral and multi-lateral treaties and agreements between States, must be duly registered in the Regional Treaty Registry in their full content, in the case the participants to such documents wish to have the World Alliance as bailee of the effectiveness of the documents.

Every State will continue to be free to conclude treaties without registration. However, in this case, the World Alliance and the Court of Justice should not be called as bailees of their effective respect.


OOC:
To improve the readability of the thread, I suggest to divide it into two sections: one for treaties related to Organizations, Associations or Conventions, and the second one for bilateral or multi-lateral treaties and agreements between States.
Eurussia seeks clarification to the highlighted provision above.

It is impossible to force every country to make public treaties and agreements. Obviously, it is a sovereign right of every country to sign secret treaties and agreements. However, in this case, the respect of these agreements would be not granted by the World Alliance institutions.
Differently, a Treaty registered in the apposite place would be guaranteed by the World Alliance institutions, since they are well aware of its content and of the parts who signed it (it's like the system existing for the United Nations, where the Secretary General is the guarantee of every Treaty concluded at the international level, if it is submitted to him).
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Post  Great Eurussia on Mon Nov 25, 2013 12:17 am

New Tarajan wrote:
Great Eurussia wrote:
New Tarajan wrote:
REGIONAL TREATY REGISTRY
Every State will continue to be free to conclude treaties without registration. However, in this case, the World Alliance and the Court of Justice should not be called as bailees of their effective respect.
Eurussia seeks clarification to the highlighted provision above.
It is impossible to force every country to make public treaties and agreements. Obviously, it is a sovereign right of every country to sign secret treaties and agreements. However, in this case, the respect of these agreements would be not granted by the World Alliance institutions.
Differently, a Treaty registered in the apposite place would be guaranteed by the World Alliance institutions, since they are well aware of its content and of the parts who signed it (it's like the system existing for the United Nations, where the Secretary General is the guarantee of every Treaty concluded at the international level, if it is submitted to him).
Hence, the provision must be strike down as it implies that the World Alliance Government would simply not care if nations doesn't submit their respective treaties and agreements, and since it is its implication, it is simply unacceptable. Furthermore, the Court of Justice, as the sole judiciary under the WA Government, has all the powers to settle disputes arising from treaties and agreements, therefore, whether it is publicized (registered) or not, still the Court of Justice, as an international organ, has judicial jurisdiction over them.
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Re: (Rejected) Regional Treaty Registry

Post  New Tarajan on Mon Nov 25, 2013 12:24 am

Great Eurussia wrote:
New Tarajan wrote:
Great Eurussia wrote:
New Tarajan wrote:
REGIONAL TREATY REGISTRY
Every State will continue to be free to conclude treaties without registration. However, in this case, the World Alliance and the Court of Justice should not be called as bailees of their effective respect.
Eurussia seeks clarification to the highlighted provision above.
It is impossible to force every country to make public treaties and agreements. Obviously, it is a sovereign right of every country to sign secret treaties and agreements. However, in this case, the respect of these agreements would be not granted by the World Alliance institutions.
Differently, a Treaty registered in the apposite place would be guaranteed by the World Alliance institutions, since they are well aware of its content and of the parts who signed it (it's like the system existing for the United Nations, where the Secretary General is the guarantee of every Treaty concluded at the international level, if it is submitted to him).
Hence, the provision must be strike down as it implies that the World Alliance Government would simply not care if nations doesn't submit their respective treaties and agreements, and since it is its implication, it is simply unacceptable. Furthermore, the Court of Justice, as the sole judiciary under the WA Government, has all the powers to settle disputes arising from treaties and agreements, therefore, whether it is publicized (registered) or not, still the Court of Justice, as an international organ, has judicial jurisdiction over them.
I agree about what you said on the Court of Justice.
But to ensure this jurisdiction, it is necessary that the Court has something to judge upon. If there is no official text of a Treaty, how it would be possible for the Court to correctly judge over disputes about this Treaty itself?
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Post  Great Eurussia on Mon Nov 25, 2013 1:12 am

New Tarajan wrote:
Great Eurussia wrote:
New Tarajan wrote:
Great Eurussia wrote:
New Tarajan wrote:
REGIONAL TREATY REGISTRY
Every State will continue to be free to conclude treaties without registration. However, in this case, the World Alliance and the Court of Justice should not be called as bailees of their effective respect.
Eurussia seeks clarification to the highlighted provision above.
It is impossible to force every country to make public treaties and agreements. Obviously, it is a sovereign right of every country to sign secret treaties and agreements. However, in this case, the respect of these agreements would be not granted by the World Alliance institutions.
Differently, a Treaty registered in the apposite place would be guaranteed by the World Alliance institutions, since they are well aware of its content and of the parts who signed it (it's like the system existing for the United Nations, where the Secretary General is the guarantee of every Treaty concluded at the international level, if it is submitted to him).
Hence, the provision must be strike down as it implies that the World Alliance Government would simply not care if nations doesn't submit their respective treaties and agreements, and since it is its implication, it is simply unacceptable. Furthermore, the Court of Justice, as the sole judiciary under the WA Government, has all the powers to settle disputes arising from treaties and agreements, therefore, whether it is publicized (registered) or not, still the Court of Justice, as an international organ, has judicial jurisdiction over them.
I agree about what you said on the Court of Justice.
But to ensure this jurisdiction, it is necessary that the Court has something to judge upon. If there is no official text of a Treaty, how it would be possible for the Court to correctly judge over disputes about this Treaty itself?
Definitely, that being said, the Court of Justice will surely judge and exercise its jurisdiction when a dispute arises and, for sure, the parties to a case will never have a hard time to present their respective treaties themselves, as they are the custodian themselves.
Thus, if such proposal to simply advice nations to register their treaties would just be a simple advisory, there is no need to craft an international law for that matter as nations themselves would surely not allow any dispute to arise between them, through a treaty.
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Re: (Rejected) Regional Treaty Registry

Post  New Tarajan on Mon Nov 25, 2013 6:49 am

Very well then, the abovementioned clause it hereby deleted.
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Re: (Rejected) Regional Treaty Registry

Post  Great Eurussia on Mon Nov 25, 2013 12:11 pm

New Tarajan wrote:Very well then, the abovementioned clause it hereby deleted.
Thank you.
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Re: (Rejected) Regional Treaty Registry

Post  The Catham Islands on Thu Nov 28, 2013 6:58 pm

the Commonwealth Realm of the Catham Islands votes in FAVOUR of the Regional Treaty Registry.
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Re: (Rejected) Regional Treaty Registry

Post  Dromoda on Fri Nov 29, 2013 4:00 pm

The people's Congress vote's inĀ favorĀ 
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Re: (Rejected) Regional Treaty Registry

Post  Atletius on Mon Dec 02, 2013 1:52 am

Atletius votes in FAVOUR
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Re: (Rejected) Regional Treaty Registry

Post  Aloia on Mon Dec 02, 2013 7:39 am

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Post  Arveyres on Mon Dec 02, 2013 8:29 am

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Re: (Rejected) Regional Treaty Registry

Post  Federation of Antanares on Mon Dec 02, 2013 9:12 am

In favor of this Regional Treaty Registry
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Dismissal?

Post  Great Eurussia on Mon Dec 02, 2013 10:50 am

Marquette (of Pacific) wrote:A debating period for this bill has begun, and will end at 0:00 (GMT) on the 27th of November, 2013. After which, a voting period will ensue and end at 0:00 (GMT) on the 30th of November, 2013.
OOC: With the voting period over and with no majority approval obtained, am I correct to say MARQUETTE that this proposal is unfortunately, dismissed?
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Re: (Rejected) Regional Treaty Registry

Post  Marquette (of Pacific) on Tue Dec 03, 2013 11:35 am

Great Eurussia wrote:
Marquette (of Pacific) wrote:A debating period for this bill has begun, and will end at 0:00 (GMT) on the 27th of November, 2013. After which, a voting period will ensue and end at 0:00 (GMT) on the 30th of November, 2013.
OOC: With the voting period over and with no majority approval obtained, am I correct to say MARQUETTE that this proposal is unfortunately, dismissed?
Yes, you are correct.

THE NAYS HAVE IT, THIS ACT IS NOT PASSED.

My apologies to everyone for being gone for a few days, I was with family for Thanksgiving Break and didn't have time to come onto NationStates.
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