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Post  New Tarajan on Wed May 28, 2014 10:12 pm

Texania wrote:Regornia isn't located in texania anymore. If you would read my news, then you would know that I am not at war.

So, are you saying that Texania and Regornia suddenly are not at war anymore?
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Re: WAOC First Summit

Post  Texania on Wed May 28, 2014 11:10 pm

yes. i have not been at war with regornian insurgents since they left. I posted a news about it as regornia. The "war" ended when they surrendered. that was over 2 months ago.
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Re: WAOC First Summit

Post  Arveyres on Thu May 29, 2014 12:38 pm

Texania wrote:yes. i have not been at war with regornian insurgents since they left. I posted a news about it as regornia. The "war" ended when they surrendered. that was over 2 months ago.
As of two days ago, 26 May 2014, I quote Regornia as saying this:
Regornia wrote:Regornian Nationals instill successful coup d'etat

Regornian nationals in the Imabistani Military have successfully overthrown the formerly capitalist government of Imabistan, and has taken control of the 43 million person country. Hedielgo Guranji is the new Leader of Imabistan, which is soon to be renamed "The Peoples Republic of Regornia". A "Reeducation Program" has been enacted by Mr. Guranji. An ethnic cleansing bill has also been enacted, which will deport all people deemed "unworthy". This list includes Articmainians, Texanians, New Zealanders , and Anarchists. In all, about 5,990,000 people will be deported. Another 10,000 people classified as traitors will be executed, which includes most the Imabistani High Command, Imabistani military members who killed regornian coup d'etat members, and a few Imabistani Nationalists.

With this coup d'état against Imabistan, we would like to notify Texania on the definition, a coup d'état, according to Merriam-Webster, is a sudden attempt by a small group of people to take over the government usually through violence.

With this knowledge, we see the usurp of the Imabistani government as a malicious act of war. Upon the notification of the unrecognized de facto entity of the Oppressed Peoples of Regornia carrying out an act of war against Imabstan, the Oppressed Peoples of Regornia is hereby indicted to participate in the Games of the I Olympiad. The indictment of Regornia will last until the Games are finished.

Jurisdiction provided by the second section of the WAOC Article, stating that:
Arveyres wrote:A nation's delegates and athletes are subject to suspension if any of the following are valid:

* The nation is at war
* The nation is boycotting the Games
* The nation is not allowing athletes of a specific nation to participate in Olympic Games held in their nation.
In the case of Regornia, retaliation for their validity will not be accepted.
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Post  Yellasia on Thu May 29, 2014 2:17 pm

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Size of Delegation: 200
Flag Bearer (for Parade of Nations): Samuyell Limidop *

*name of flag bearer subject to change (OOC: Based on real life joke like most things involving Yellasia :p )
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Re: WAOC First Summit

Post  Regornia on Sun Jun 01, 2014 2:35 am

Eurussia, Aricmainia, Regornia, Ireland, and Magni Quas are all at war, and cannot participate.
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Re: WAOC First Summit

Post  Ireland on Sun Jun 01, 2014 2:38 am

Regornia wrote:Eurussia, Aricmainia, Regornia, Ireland, and Magni Quas are all at war, and cannot participate.
Magni Quas never applied to participate
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Re: WAOC First Summit

Post  Arveyres on Sun Jun 01, 2014 2:54 am

Regornia wrote:Eurussia, Aricmainia, Regornia, Ireland, and Magni Quas are all at war, and cannot participate.
Thank you for the polite notice, we accept the notification after reviewing the recent posts of the above nations as valid.

As of now, the following nations are not allowed to participate in the Olympics until they are at peace.

*Eurussia, Great Empire of
*Articmainia, Empire of
*Regornia, Oppressed Peoples of
*Ireland, Kingdom of
*Magni Quas, Confederacy of

These nations application are hereby deemed void.
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Re: WAOC First Summit

Post  Arveyres on Sun Jun 01, 2014 2:58 am

FIRST WA OLYMPIC COMMITTEE SUMMIT
CONFÉRENCE PREMIÈRE OLYMPIQUE DU WA

CURRENT LIST OF PARTICIPATORS

Antanares
Arveyres
Dromoda
Kaevi
New Tarajan
Marquette of Pacific
Texania
Ivania
Zackalantis
Chernarusia
Havenburgh
Shirouma
Fascesia
Talanzaar
Planita
Yellasia


Thank you all again.

Long live the World Alliance!
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Post  New-Zealand on Sun Jun 01, 2014 9:10 am

Can I join?
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Re: WAOC First Summit

Post  Great Eurussia on Sun Jun 01, 2014 9:16 am

Arveyres wrote:
Regornia wrote:Eurussia, Aricmainia, Regornia, Ireland, and Magni Quas are all at war, and cannot participate.
Thank you for the polite notice, we accept the notification after reviewing the recent posts of the above nations as valid.

As of now, the following nations are not allowed to participate in the Olympics until they are at peace.

*Eurussia, Great Empire of
*Articmainia, Empire of
*Regornia, Oppressed Peoples of
*Ireland, Kingdom of
*Magni Quas, Confederacy of

These nations application are hereby deemed void.

Eurussia requests explanations from the WAOC.
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Re: WAOC First Summit

Post  Ireland on Sun Jun 01, 2014 9:22 am

Great Eurussia wrote:
Arveyres wrote:
Regornia wrote:Eurussia, Aricmainia, Regornia, Ireland, and Magni Quas are all at war, and cannot participate.
Thank you for the polite notice, we accept the notification after reviewing the recent posts of the above nations as valid.

As of now, the following nations are not allowed to participate in the Olympics until they are at peace.

*Eurussia, Great Empire of
*Articmainia, Empire of
*Regornia, Oppressed Peoples of
*Ireland, Kingdom of
*Magni Quas, Confederacy of

These nations application are hereby deemed void.

Eurussia requests explanations from the WAOC.
If a nation is at war then they can not participate in the Olympics
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Re: WAOC First Summit

Post  Arveyres on Sun Jun 01, 2014 9:24 am

Great Eurussia wrote:Eurussia requests explanations from the WAOC.
Great Eurussia wrote:
EU FORCES INVADES ULAN BATOR


After the announcement of the NATO expulsion of Magni Quas, Her Excellency, Chancellor Hillary Clinton, held a press conference at the White House, where she announced the official mobilization of Eurussian Forces from the Eurussian Polynesian Command against Magni Quas all in favor in defending the Kingdom of Ireland. She also said that prior to the press conference, she had a brief meeting with the NATO Ambassadors in Moscow, and as well as King Willem Alexander, affirming Eurussia's commitment to defend Ireland in light of the recent aggression. In fact, the Ministry of Defense released a statement confirming that the Eurussian Forces has started to invade the capital city of Ulan Bator, although faced with heavy resistance, with enough air cover from the Eurussian Air Force, who instituted a no fly zone over the capital and continuously launched bombs targeting government buildings and military installations, were able to allow the Eurussian Army to move inward the city of Ulan Bator. The Eurussian Forces were able to easily capture the presidential palace, the legislative building, and other important institutions of government as they expected that most government officials are now hiding in other parts of the country.
EU FORCES ENTERS NORTH IMABISTAN

At the same press conference, Chancellor Hillary Clinton also announced Eurussia's commitment to defend Articmainia, as it faces massive assault from Regornian terrorists ruling the country. According to the Defense Ministry, as Articmainia tries to get into Imabistan through its small shorelines, with aid from the naval fleet the have present nearby blocking any attempts of Regornian terrorists to flee the country by sea and conducting air strikes to various installations, the Eurussian Forces have managed to get in through the deserted northern border of Imabistan, facing the vast Olympian desert, which was totally defenseless as most units of the Regornian terrorists have been dedicated to fight with Articmainian troops on their vast shared borders and sea.
On the other hand, while Eurussian Forces strengthens their position on their captured areas in Northern Imabistan, the Eurussian Air Force has also been deploying its EUAF Tu-160 Supersonic Bombers to target government buildings, military garrisons, and strategic installations in the capital city. Despite the initial setbacks, with their joint efforts in fighting the terrorists, the overwhelming military experience and firepower of Eurussia and Articmainia are already overwhelming against those rogue troops of the Regornian terrorists. According to military strategists, Eurussia and Articmainia has the upper hand on the Regornian War.
With your forces entering Ulan Bator and Imabistan, it is seen as an act of war, regardless if you view it for liberation or peacekeeping. Regardless of the reasoning, your nation, who is at war, is not allowed to participate in the Olympics.
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Re: WAOC First Summit

Post  Arveyres on Sun Jun 01, 2014 9:24 am

New-Zealand wrote:Can I join?
Sure! Apply from the front page Smile
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Eurussian Objection

Post  Great Eurussia on Sun Jun 01, 2014 9:52 am

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Arveyres wrote:
Great Eurussia wrote:Eurussia requests explanations from the WAOC.
Great Eurussia wrote:
EU FORCES INVADES ULAN BATOR


After the announcement of the NATO expulsion of Magni Quas, Her Excellency, Chancellor Hillary Clinton, held a press conference at the White House, where she announced the official mobilization of Eurussian Forces from the Eurussian Polynesian Command against Magni Quas all in favor in defending the Kingdom of Ireland. She also said that prior to the press conference, she had a brief meeting with the NATO Ambassadors in Moscow, and as well as King Willem Alexander, affirming Eurussia's commitment to defend Ireland in light of the recent aggression. In fact, the Ministry of Defense released a statement confirming that the Eurussian Forces has started to invade the capital city of Ulan Bator, although faced with heavy resistance, with enough air cover from the Eurussian Air Force, who instituted a no fly zone over the capital and continuously launched bombs targeting government buildings and military installations, were able to allow the Eurussian Army to move inward the city of Ulan Bator. The Eurussian Forces were able to easily capture the presidential palace, the legislative building, and other important institutions of government as they expected that most government officials are now hiding in other parts of the country.
EU FORCES ENTERS NORTH IMABISTAN

At the same press conference, Chancellor Hillary Clinton also announced Eurussia's commitment to defend Articmainia, as it faces massive assault from Regornian terrorists ruling the country. According to the Defense Ministry, as Articmainia tries to get into Imabistan through its small shorelines, with aid from the naval fleet the have present nearby blocking any attempts of Regornian terrorists to flee the country by sea and conducting air strikes to various installations, the Eurussian Forces have managed to get in through the deserted northern border of Imabistan, facing the vast Olympian desert, which was totally defenseless as most units of the Regornian terrorists have been dedicated to fight with Articmainian troops on their vast shared borders and sea.
On the other hand, while Eurussian Forces strengthens their position on their captured areas in Northern Imabistan, the Eurussian Air Force has also been deploying its EUAF Tu-160 Supersonic Bombers to target government buildings, military garrisons, and strategic installations in the capital city. Despite the initial setbacks, with their joint efforts in fighting the terrorists, the overwhelming military experience and firepower of Eurussia and Articmainia are already overwhelming against those rogue troops of the Regornian terrorists. According to military strategists, Eurussia and Articmainia has the upper hand on the Regornian War.
With your forces entering Ulan Bator and Imabistan, it is seen as an act of war, regardless if you view it for liberation or peacekeeping. Regardless of the reasoning, your nation, who is at war, is not allowed to participate in the Olympics.

Unfortunately, the Eurussian Government doesn't share the views of the WA Olympic Committee on the vague and open to interpretation provision of this "nation at war" since in the first place, the Eurussian Empire is not at war, at all. In fact, the entire nation is in business as usual.
And this 'war' is no way affect any single political entity of the nation, furthermore, we, together with Ireland and Articmainia, didn't even initiated this 'war' the WAOC is rederring to. All of us are merely acting in self defense us upheld by the WA Constitution. And this 'war' is no way disrupts the peace but rather achieve it.
Our government, however, do not object the suspension of Regornia, Imabistan and Regornia, since they are the real nations who started the war and continuing it. Are we right? That is the real interpretation of 'nation at war' which obviously goes against the principles of peace promoted by the WA Olympics.
As a matter of fact, the WA Olympics should even be the means for our brave soldiers to be their inspiration in ending the war caused by these real warmongerers. And for that to achieve the peace the WA Olympics aims.
Hence, we ask the WAOC, if our nations are attacked, what shall we do? Remain at peace and when our people are being killed for the sake of being able to participate in the WA Olympics? Is this what the WAOC wants?
Also, we ask the WAOC, under the international law that created the WAOC itself, doesn't it clearly states that the WAOC is composed of all nations? Why is the de facto Chair of the WAOC suddenly issues a decision of a huge importance without the consensus of the entirety of the WA Olympic Committee?
With all these justified grounds presented by the Eurussia, and also for the sake of the people of Ireland and Articmainia who are in high spirits of seeing their atheletes join this Olympics for the first time, do have high respects for the WAOC, however, with these hastily made decision, the Eurussian Government don't want to have doubts on the WAOC to be fair to everyone.
In anyway, take this as an objection to the decision.
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Re: WAOC First Summit

Post  Regornia on Sun Jun 01, 2014 10:41 am

War is an organized and often prolonged conflict that is carried out by states or non-state actors. It is generally characterised by extreme violence, social disruption and economic destruction.
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Re: WAOC First Summit

Post  Regornia on Sun Jun 01, 2014 10:52 am

I would also like to point out that it was Articmainia who declared war on me.

Spoiler:

Empire of Articmainia wrote:Articmainia takes action on Imbistan.

After all the refugees that the Articmainian colony can take the Emperor has decided to take action on the corrupt Regornian government in Imbistan. Emperor is doing this because he basically is defending the innocent in the name of humanity as the Regornian government has stated that it is executing 10,000 innocent people and some of that 10,000 are Articmainians.
The Emperor will be sending 23,950 Imperial Marines and our supported by 150 helicopters and airplanes.









And then eurussia joined in.

Spoiler:

Great Eurussia wrote:


EU BACKS ARTIC ON IMABISTAN
After its move seeking for a WA Council Intervention on Imabistan following a forceful overthrow of its legitimate government by Refornian terrorists, and as reports confirmed that the terrorist groups are executing innocent civilians, including Articmainians, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs affirmed its all out support to Articmainia in dealing with the terrorists in Imabistan, and vowed of Eurussia's aid, peacefully and militarily, to protect the Articmainians in the 'failed state' of Imabistan.

With this information, i believe that this would be more correct.

Spoiler:
Unfortunately, the Eurussian Government doesn't share the views of the WA Olympic Committee on the vague and open to interpretation provision of this "nation at war" since in the first place, the Eurussian Empire is not at war, at all. In fact, the entire nation is in business as usual.( what about the families of those deployed? are they not hoping for their sons safe return? Thats pretty harsh.)

And this 'war' is no way affect any single political entity of the nation, furthermore, we, together with Ireland and Articmainia, didn't even initiated this 'war' the WAOC is rederring to. All of us are merely acting in self defense us upheld by the WA Constitution. And this 'war' is no way disrupts the peace but rather achieve it.

Our government, however, do not object the suspension of Regornia, Imabistan and Regornia, since they are the real nations who started the war and continuing it. Are we right? That is the real interpretation of 'nation at war' which obviously goes against the principles of peace promoted by the WA Olympics.

As a matter of fact, the WA Olympics should even be the means for our brave soldiers to be their inspiration in ending the war caused by these real warmongerers. And for that to achieve the peace the WA Olympics aims.

Hence, we ask the WAOC, if our nations are attacked, what shall we do? Remain at peace and when our people are being killed for the sake of being able to participate in the WA Olympics?( Is this what the WAOC wants? <== No.)

Also, we ask the WAOC, under the international law that created the WAOC itself, doesn't it clearly states that the WAOC is composed of all nations? Why is the de facto Chair of the WAOC suddenly issues a decision of a huge importance without the consensus of the entirety of the WA Olympic Committee?

With all these justified grounds presented by the Eurussia, and also for the sake of the people of Ireland and Articmainia who are in high spirits of seeing their atheletes join this Olympics for the first time, do have high respects for the WAOC, however, with these hastily made decision, the Eurussian Government don't want to have doubts on the WAOC to be fair to everyone.

To be fair to everyone? what about Regornia?


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Post  Great Eurussia on Sun Jun 01, 2014 11:04 am

Spoiler:

Regornia wrote:I would also like to point out that it was Articmainia who declared war on me.

Spoiler:

Empire of Articmainia wrote:Articmainia takes action on Imbistan.

After all the refugees that the Articmainian colony can take the Emperor has decided to take action on the corrupt Regornian government in Imbistan. Emperor is doing this because he basically is defending the innocent in the name of humanity as the Regornian government has stated that it is executing 10,000 innocent people and some of that 10,000 are Articmainians.
The Emperor will be sending 23,950 Imperial Marines and our supported by 150 helicopters and airplanes.









And then eurussia joined in.

Spoiler:
EU BACKS ARTIC ON IMABISTAN

After its move seeking for a WA Council Intervention on Imabistan following a forceful overthrow of its legitimate government by Refornian terrorists, and as reports confirmed that the terrorist groups are executing innocent civilians, including Articmainians, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs affirmed its all out support to Articmainia in dealing with the terrorists in Imabistan, and vowed of Eurussia's aid, peacefully and militarily, to protect the Articmainians in the 'failed state' of Imabistan.

With this information, i believe that this would be more correct.

Spoiler:
Unfortunately, the Eurussian Government doesn't share the views of the WA Olympic Committee on the vague and open to interpretation provision of this "nation at war" since in the first place, the Eurussian Empire is not at war, at all. In fact, the entire nation is in business as usual.( what about the families of those deployed? are they not hoping for their sons safe return? Thats pretty harsh.)

And this 'war' is no way affect any single political entity of the nation, furthermore, we, together with Ireland and Articmainia, didn't even initiated this 'war' the WAOC is rederring to. All of us are merely acting in self defense us upheld by the WA Constitution. And this 'war' is no way disrupts the peace but rather achieve it.

Our government, however, do not object the suspension of Regornia, Imabistan and Regornia, since they are the real nations who started the war and continuing it. Are we right? That is the real interpretation of 'nation at war' which obviously goes against the principles of peace promoted by the WA Olympics.

As a matter of fact, the WA Olympics should even be the means for our brave soldiers to be their inspiration in ending the war caused by these real warmongerers. And for that to achieve the peace the WA Olympics aims.

Hence, we ask the WAOC, if our nations are attacked, what shall we do? Remain at peace and when our people are being killed for the sake of being able to participate in the WA Olympics?( Is this what the WAOC wants? <== No.)

Also, we ask the WAOC, under the international law that created the WAOC itself, doesn't it clearly states that the WAOC is composed of all nations? Why is the de facto Chair of the WAOC suddenly issues a decision of a huge importance without the consensus of the entirety of the WA Olympic Committee?

With all these justified grounds presented by the Eurussia, and also for the sake of the people of Ireland and Articmainia who are in high spirits of seeing their atheletes join this Olympics for the first time, do have high respects for the WAOC, however, with these hastily made decision, the Eurussian Government don't want to have doubts on the WAOC to be fair to everyone.

To be fair to everyone? what about Regornia?

Very simple, Regornian terrorists massacred Articmainians, hence, expect the Articmainain Government to protect its citizens abroad. And Eurussia is obliged to come into the assistance of the Empire of Articmainia. And furthermore, in the first place, why should even be Regornia treated as a country? It doesn't even have its own identity nor a political territory to be considered as a sovereign state. It is simply well known as a terrorist group.
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Re: WAOC First Summit

Post  Regornia on Sun Jun 01, 2014 11:17 am

But, as you stated before " you are defending your nation". that is not true if you declared war. You would be the AGGRESSOR. And why should Eurussia be a country? Because this.

A country is a region identified as a distinct entity in political geography. A country may be an independent sovereign state or one that is occupied by another state, as a non-sovereign or formerly sovereign political division, or a geographic region associated with sets of previously independent or differently associated peoples with distinct political characteristics.

This would classify REGORNIA as a Country.

And Nation.

Nation may refer to a large group of people who share a common language, culture, ethnicity, descent, or history. Nation can refer to "a people, race, or tribe; those having the same descent, language, and history.

aswell as state.

A sovereign state is a nonphysical juridical entity of the international legal system that is represented by one centralized government that has supreme independent authority over a geographic area. International law defines sovereign states as having a permanent population, one government, and the capacity to enter into relations with other sovereign states.[1] It is also normally understood to be a state which is neither dependent on nor subject to any other power or state.[2] The existence or disappearance of a state is a question of fact.[3] According to the declarative theory of state recognition, a sovereign state can exist without being recognised by other sovereign states.

And by the way, CAPACITY does not mean NEED, or REQUIRED

And not recognising a Coup d'etat does not mean it  doesnt have its own national identity. Its political territory would be that of former Imabistan. I bet that if i would have declared a coup d'etat as imabistan, then had gone down the same path, and only later revealing that it was regornians, that you would have never attacked my anthill, let alone blockade it. Admit it. you are the warmongering nation. your nation has been in the most wars in the region.
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Re: WAOC First Summit

Post  Great Eurussia on Sun Jun 01, 2014 11:26 am

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Regornia wrote:But, as you stated before " you are defending your nation". that is not true if you declared war. You would be the AGGRESSOR. And why should Eurussia be a country? Because this.

A country is a region identified as a distinct entity in political geography. A country may be an independent sovereign state or one that is occupied by another state, as a non-sovereign or formerly sovereign political division, or a geographic region associated with sets of previously independent or differently associated peoples with distinct political characteristics.

This would classify REGORNIA as a Country.

And Nation.

Nation may refer to a large group of people who share a common language, culture, ethnicity, descent, or history. Nation can refer to "a people, race, or tribe; those having the same descent, language, and history.

aswell as state.

A sovereign state is a nonphysical juridical entity of the international legal system that is represented by one centralized government that has supreme independent authority over a geographic area. International law defines sovereign states as having a permanent population, one government, and the capacity to enter into relations with other sovereign states.[1] It is also normally understood to be a state which is neither dependent on nor subject to any other power or state.[2] The existence or disappearance of a state is a question of fact.[3] According to the declarative theory of state recognition, a sovereign state can exist without being recognised by other sovereign states.

And by the way, CAPACITY does not mean NEED, or REQUIRED

And not recognising a Coup d'etat does not mean it  doesnt have its own national identity. Its political territory would be that of former Imabistan. I bet that if i would have declared a coup d'etat as imabistan, then had gone down the same path, and only later revealing that it was regornians, that you would have never attacked my anthill, let alone blockade it. Admit it. you are the warmongering nation. your nation has been in the most wars in the region.

Eurussia is not interested to spend time debating on the differences between a country, a nation, nor a sovereign state. Much more, we do not deal with terrorist organizations, like the Regornian terrorist group that is now wreaking havoc in Imabistan.
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Re: WAOC First Summit

Post  Ireland on Sun Jun 01, 2014 11:39 am

Great Eurussia wrote:
Spoiler:

Regornia wrote:But, as you stated before " you are defending your nation". that is not true if you declared war. You would be the AGGRESSOR. And why should Eurussia be a country? Because this.

A country is a region identified as a distinct entity in political geography. A country may be an independent sovereign state or one that is occupied by another state, as a non-sovereign or formerly sovereign political division, or a geographic region associated with sets of previously independent or differently associated peoples with distinct political characteristics.

This would classify REGORNIA as a Country.

And Nation.

Nation may refer to a large group of people who share a common language, culture, ethnicity, descent, or history. Nation can refer to "a people, race, or tribe; those having the same descent, language, and history.

aswell as state.

A sovereign state is a nonphysical juridical entity of the international legal system that is represented by one centralized government that has supreme independent authority over a geographic area. International law defines sovereign states as having a permanent population, one government, and the capacity to enter into relations with other sovereign states.[1] It is also normally understood to be a state which is neither dependent on nor subject to any other power or state.[2] The existence or disappearance of a state is a question of fact.[3] According to the declarative theory of state recognition, a sovereign state can exist without being recognised by other sovereign states.

And by the way, CAPACITY does not mean NEED, or REQUIRED

And not recognising a Coup d'etat does not mean it  doesnt have its own national identity. Its political territory would be that of former Imabistan. I bet that if i would have declared a coup d'etat as imabistan, then had gone down the same path, and only later revealing that it was regornians, that you would have never attacked my anthill, let alone blockade it. Admit it. you are the warmongering nation. your nation has been in the most wars in the region.

Eurussia is not interested to spend time debating on the differences between a country, a nation, nor a sovereign state. Much more, we do not deal with terrorist organizations, like the Regornian terrorist group that is now wreaking havoc in Imabistan.
Yes,indeed. Im not going to let some nation take me over just so i can participate in the Olympics this is an act of self-defense. And plus this war is contained far from Arveyres.
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Re: WAOC First Summit

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Re: WAOC First Summit

Post  Arveyres on Sun Jun 01, 2014 11:58 am

Ireland wrote:
Great Eurussia wrote:
Spoiler:

Regornia wrote:But, as you stated before " you are defending your nation". that is not true if you declared war. You would be the AGGRESSOR. And why should Eurussia be a country? Because this.

A country is a region identified as a distinct entity in political geography. A country may be an independent sovereign state or one that is occupied by another state, as a non-sovereign or formerly sovereign political division, or a geographic region associated with sets of previously independent or differently associated peoples with distinct political characteristics.

This would classify REGORNIA as a Country.

And Nation.

Nation may refer to a large group of people who share a common language, culture, ethnicity, descent, or history. Nation can refer to "a people, race, or tribe; those having the same descent, language, and history.

aswell as state.

A sovereign state is a nonphysical juridical entity of the international legal system that is represented by one centralized government that has supreme independent authority over a geographic area. International law defines sovereign states as having a permanent population, one government, and the capacity to enter into relations with other sovereign states.[1] It is also normally understood to be a state which is neither dependent on nor subject to any other power or state.[2] The existence or disappearance of a state is a question of fact.[3] According to the declarative theory of state recognition, a sovereign state can exist without being recognised by other sovereign states.

And by the way, CAPACITY does not mean NEED, or REQUIRED

And not recognising a Coup d'etat does not mean it  doesnt have its own national identity. Its political territory would be that of former Imabistan. I bet that if i would have declared a coup d'etat as imabistan, then had gone down the same path, and only later revealing that it was regornians, that you would have never attacked my anthill, let alone blockade it. Admit it. you are the warmongering nation. your nation has been in the most wars in the region.

Eurussia is not interested to spend time debating on the differences between a country, a nation, nor a sovereign state. Much more, we do not deal with terrorist organizations, like the Regornian terrorist group that is now wreaking havoc in Imabistan.
Yes,indeed. Im not going to let some nation take me over just so i can participate in the Olympics this is an act of self-defense. And plus this war is contained far from Arveyres.
Regardless of location, aggressor, defender, or reason, the nations that were listed are in obvious war. They will not be allowed to participate, and there is no debate.
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Eurussian Objection

Post  Great Eurussia on Sun Jun 01, 2014 12:38 pm

Great Eurussia wrote:
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Arveyres wrote:
Great Eurussia wrote:Eurussia requests explanations from the WAOC.
Great Eurussia wrote:
EU FORCES INVADES ULAN BATOR


After the announcement of the NATO expulsion of Magni Quas, Her Excellency, Chancellor Hillary Clinton, held a press conference at the White House, where she announced the official mobilization of Eurussian Forces from the Eurussian Polynesian Command against Magni Quas all in favor in defending the Kingdom of Ireland. She also said that prior to the press conference, she had a brief meeting with the NATO Ambassadors in Moscow, and as well as King Willem Alexander, affirming Eurussia's commitment to defend Ireland in light of the recent aggression. In fact, the Ministry of Defense released a statement confirming that the Eurussian Forces has started to invade the capital city of Ulan Bator, although faced with heavy resistance, with enough air cover from the Eurussian Air Force, who instituted a no fly zone over the capital and continuously launched bombs targeting government buildings and military installations, were able to allow the Eurussian Army to move inward the city of Ulan Bator. The Eurussian Forces were able to easily capture the presidential palace, the legislative building, and other important institutions of government as they expected that most government officials are now hiding in other parts of the country.
EU FORCES ENTERS NORTH IMABISTAN

At the same press conference, Chancellor Hillary Clinton also announced Eurussia's commitment to defend Articmainia, as it faces massive assault from Regornian terrorists ruling the country. According to the Defense Ministry, as Articmainia tries to get into Imabistan through its small shorelines, with aid from the naval fleet the have present nearby blocking any attempts of Regornian terrorists to flee the country by sea and conducting air strikes to various installations, the Eurussian Forces have managed to get in through the deserted northern border of Imabistan, facing the vast Olympian desert, which was totally defenseless as most units of the Regornian terrorists have been dedicated to fight with Articmainian troops on their vast shared borders and sea.
On the other hand, while Eurussian Forces strengthens their position on their captured areas in Northern Imabistan, the Eurussian Air Force has also been deploying its EUAF Tu-160 Supersonic Bombers to target government buildings, military garrisons, and strategic installations in the capital city. Despite the initial setbacks, with their joint efforts in fighting the terrorists, the overwhelming military experience and firepower of Eurussia and Articmainia are already overwhelming against those rogue troops of the Regornian terrorists. According to military strategists, Eurussia and Articmainia has the upper hand on the Regornian War.
With your forces entering Ulan Bator and Imabistan, it is seen as an act of war, regardless if you view it for liberation or peacekeeping. Regardless of the reasoning, your nation, who is at war, is not allowed to participate in the Olympics.

Unfortunately, the Eurussian Government doesn't share the views of the WA Olympic Committee on the vague and open to interpretation provision of this "nation at war" since in the first place, the Eurussian Empire is not at war, at all. In fact, the entire nation is in business as usual.
And this 'war' is no way affect any single political entity of the nation, furthermore, we, together with Ireland and Articmainia, didn't even initiated this 'war' the WAOC is rederring to. All of us are merely acting in self defense us upheld by the WA Constitution. And this 'war' is no way disrupts the peace but rather achieve it.
Our government, however, do not object the suspension of Regornia, Imabistan and Regornia, since they are the real nations who started the war and continuing it. Are we right? That is the real interpretation of 'nation at war' which obviously goes against the principles of peace promoted by the WA Olympics.
As a matter of fact, the WA Olympics should even be the means for our brave soldiers to be their inspiration in ending the war caused by these real warmongerers. And for that to achieve the peace the WA Olympics aims.
Hence, we ask the WAOC, if our nations are attacked, what shall we do? Remain at peace and when our people are being killed for the sake of being able to participate in the WA Olympics? Is this what the WAOC wants?
Also, we ask the WAOC, under the international law that created the WAOC itself, doesn't it clearly states that the WAOC is composed of all nations? Why is the de facto Chair of the WAOC suddenly issues a decision of a huge importance without the consensus of the entirety of the WA Olympic Committee?
With all these justified grounds presented by the Eurussia, and also for the sake of the people of Ireland and Articmainia who are in high spirits of seeing their atheletes join this Olympics for the first time, do have high respects for the WAOC, however, with these hastily made decision, the Eurussian Government don't want to have doubts on the WAOC to be fair to everyone.
In anyway, take this as an objection to the decision.

Eurussia demands an explanation from the WA Olympic Committee.
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Re: WAOC First Summit

Post  Arveyres on Sun Jun 01, 2014 12:49 pm

Hence, we ask the WAOC, if our nations are attacked, what shall we do? Remain at peace and when our people are being killed for the sake of being able to participate in the WA Olympics? Is this what the WAOC wants?
If you're attacked and don't retaliate, you can participate. But if you engage in any type of harmful military conduct towards another nation or foreign peoples, you will not be allowed to participate, because nations can only participate if they are at peace.

Also, we ask the WAOC, under the international law that created the WAOC itself, doesn't it clearly states that the WAOC is composed of all nations? Why is the de facto Chair of the WAOC suddenly issues a decision of a huge importance without the consensus of the entirety of the WA Olympic Committee?
Please cite the quote, because I do not remember writing that the WAOC is comprised of all nations. The WAOC changes with each games because the WAOC is comprised of participating nations. Furthermore, there were no objections to the suspensions of the named nations because they are in a state of military conflict in which they send their own troops in either a defensive or offensive manner, thus rendering them invalid to participate.

With all these justified grounds presented by the Eurussia, and also for the sake of the people of Ireland and Articmainia who are in high spirits of seeing their atheletes join this Olympics for the first time, do have high respects for the WAOC, however, with these hastily made decision, the Eurussian Government don't want to have doubts on the WAOC to be fair to everyone.
To whom have we been unfair?
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Re: WAOC First Summit

Post  Great Eurussia on Sun Jun 01, 2014 1:02 pm

Arveyres wrote:
Ireland wrote:
Great Eurussia wrote:
Spoiler:

Regornia wrote:But, as you stated before " you are defending your nation". that is not true if you declared war. You would be the AGGRESSOR. And why should Eurussia be a country? Because this.

A country is a region identified as a distinct entity in political geography. A country may be an independent sovereign state or one that is occupied by another state, as a non-sovereign or formerly sovereign political division, or a geographic region associated with sets of previously independent or differently associated peoples with distinct political characteristics.

This would classify REGORNIA as a Country.

And Nation.

Nation may refer to a large group of people who share a common language, culture, ethnicity, descent, or history. Nation can refer to "a people, race, or tribe; those having the same descent, language, and history.

aswell as state.

A sovereign state is a nonphysical juridical entity of the international legal system that is represented by one centralized government that has supreme independent authority over a geographic area. International law defines sovereign states as having a permanent population, one government, and the capacity to enter into relations with other sovereign states.[1] It is also normally understood to be a state which is neither dependent on nor subject to any other power or state.[2] The existence or disappearance of a state is a question of fact.[3] According to the declarative theory of state recognition, a sovereign state can exist without being recognised by other sovereign states.

And by the way, CAPACITY does not mean NEED, or REQUIRED

And not recognising a Coup d'etat does not mean it  doesnt have its own national identity. Its political territory would be that of former Imabistan. I bet that if i would have declared a coup d'etat as imabistan, then had gone down the same path, and only later revealing that it was regornians, that you would have never attacked my anthill, let alone blockade it. Admit it. you are the warmongering nation. your nation has been in the most wars in the region.

Eurussia is not interested to spend time debating on the differences between a country, a nation, nor a sovereign state. Much more, we do not deal with terrorist organizations, like the Regornian terrorist group that is now wreaking havoc in Imabistan.
Yes,indeed. Im not going to let some nation take me over just so i can participate in the Olympics this is an act of self-defense. And plus this war is contained far from Arveyres.
Regardless of location, aggressor, defender, or reason, the nations that were listed are in obvious war. They will not be allowed to participate, and there is no debate.

So this means even if it is not our fault, and even our own people are being killed. We should just sit back and relax for us to join the WA Olympics? Is this really how the WA Olympic Committe interprets the international law??????
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