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Post  England and Wales on Wed Jan 07, 2015 4:06 am

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Omega Atlantica wrote:Honestly your all acting like children

I honestly think you'd be annoyed too if you had to write everything down 10 times because your debate partner either doesn't care to read it or has trouble understanding what you said.

I know the pains of repeating your self,
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Re: (Resolved) Scottlands vs Apepistan

Post  The Holy Empire of Artite on Wed Jan 07, 2015 6:20 am

Scottish Republic wrote:I have nothing more to say besides Apepistan admitted the crime already.

I am calling enough, Apepistan has done nothing wrong and if anything there was a huge mis-communication between the WTU and ZAR, just shake hands and call it quits, I just signed a peace treaty with China China, all my military assets are free now. If this does not end, I will make it ugly and we all don't want that because I will drag it out so much that you will all get tired of it fast, so sign a treaty and the WTU will trade with in its own boundries and mind its own business and ZAR shall do the same. Apepistan I am still standing by you but this is getting out of hand and it is becoming to personal so in order to make sure it does not go farther I am asking you both to drop the subject shake hands and get on with the day. 

Now I am putting this down right now while we are on the topic, if another ZAR trade ship is attacked and sunk, the one to blame will face me and I am not as forgiving and merciful as Apepistan is in such dealings. I will conduct an investigation and whether or not you like it you will give straight answers if you start attacking me and threatening me or my allies it will be the last thing any of you do. I here by put ZAR under Imperial Protection, any acts of war or piracy on ZAR trade ships will be dealt with swiftly by the Imperial Navy and if needed the rest of the Imperial War Machine. I am not taking control of ZAR and I am definitely not trying to get hold of power with in ZAR but this is to ensure that ZAR trade ships are protected.
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Re: (Resolved) Scottlands vs Apepistan

Post  Apepistan on Wed Jan 07, 2015 7:56 am

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Scottish Republic wrote:I have nothing more to say besides Apepistan admitted the crime already.

I am calling enough, Apepistan has done nothing wrong and if anything there was a huge mis-communication between the WTU and ZAR, just shake hands and call it quits, I just signed a peace treaty with China China, all my military assets are free now. If this does not end, I will make it ugly and we all don't want that because I will drag it out so much that you will all get tired of it fast, so sign a treaty and the WTU will trade with in its own boundries and mind its own business and ZAR shall do the same. Apepistan I am still standing by you but this is getting out of hand and it is becoming to personal so in order to make sure it does not go farther I am asking you both to drop the subject shake hands and get on with the day. 

Now I am putting this down right now while we are on the topic, if another ZAR trade ship is attacked and sunk, the one to blame will face me and I am not as forgiving and merciful as Apepistan is in such dealings. I will conduct an investigation and whether or not you like it you will give straight answers if you start attacking me and threatening me or my allies it will be the last thing any of you do. I here by put ZAR under Imperial Protection, any acts of war or piracy on ZAR trade ships will be dealt with swiftly by the Imperial Navy and if needed the rest of the Imperial War Machine. I am not taking control of ZAR and I am definitely not trying to get hold of power with in ZAR but this is to ensure that ZAR trade ships are protected.


This already became a personal matter in the very second Scottlands turned this from an interorganisational case into an international one. Plus they keep throwing diplomatic insults at us, (deliberately calling our King a president is a major example), and also threatenings.
I will not "drop it", because this is not about the WTU-ZAR case any more. This is about Scottlands using his position in the Security Council to lobby his own interest and undermine other nations, and also with this, they undermine the prestige of the whole Security Council.
Nobody should be worried though, because there will be no war initiated by the United Kingdoms of Apepistan from this case. Scottlands is basically unarmed, we will not attack a nation without means to protect themselves. We will not lower the honor of our nation with bullying and lobbying.

Whatever dealing you wish to make with the ZAR, talk to everyone at our organisation. ZAR is more than capable of protecting their trade fleet. Your intentions are appreciated, but absolutely unnecessary.
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Conclusion & Recommendation

Post  Great Eurussia on Thu Jan 08, 2015 5:06 pm

Having no further arguments on the case, the SC is pleased to announce the following:

Conclusion: The Republic of Scottlands accused the United Kingdoms of Apepistan of accusing the World Trade Union of sinking a ship of the Zaristic League of Trade with failure to provide any evidence and even proposed an embargo against an unidentified entity thus demanding for compensatory moral damages. While the United Kingdoms of Apepistan denied accusing the World Trade Union of sinking a ship of the Zaristic League of Trade and denied proposing an embargo against the World Trade Union. ANYHOW, the SC finds that Apepistan did not accused the World Trade Union of sinking a ship of the Zaristic League of Trade but finds that Apepistan did proposed an embargo against the World Trade Union which we find doesn't meet the complaint of Scottlands since it did not mention any target of embargo of Apepistan. These findings contradict the denial of Apepistan that it did not proposed an embargo against the World Trade Union.

Recommendation: Citing the conclusions above, the President of the Security Council hereby recommends to the SC, under its judicial authority, not to act on the case, Scottlands vs Apepistan, since the conclusions are not limited to Scottlands and Apepistan alone but involves the entirety of both the World Trade Union and the Zaristic League of Trade, which are international organizations composed of several other nation states, which at the same time are not direct parties to this case. However, citing that Apepistan lied to the Security Council, it will be fined €10 million euros. Omega Atlantica and Artite are likewise fined with €1 million euros and €5 million euros respectively due to Omega Atlantica interfering in the proceedings without explicit permission from neither Parties nor the SC, the same thing applies to Artite which also interrupted the proceedings and made disrespectful threats against a co-equal sovereign state in front of the Security Council. All fines shall be payable to the Security Council of the World Alliance.

AT THIS MOMENT, any appeal from Scottlands or Apepistan against the recommendation will be welcomed within one (1) day. Otherwise, the SC will then vote. So ordered.
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Re: (Resolved) Scottlands vs Apepistan

Post  Apepistan on Thu Jan 08, 2015 5:46 pm

The United Kingdoms of Apepistan did not propose to embargo the WTU.

The United States of Scouting proposed the embargo and a blockade, to which the United Kingdoms of Apepistan expressed their opinion of it being too extreme, and asked to lighten the proposal in order not to escalate conflicts. It was not a separate proposal, but the request to modify an already existing proposal. See our fist post regarding the issue.

Quote from the first reply regarding the embaro:
The ZAR embargo was proposed as a counter measurement after WTU has refused discussions. First it was mentioned by the United States of Scouting along with a blockade, but the United Kingdoms of Apepistan were against the blockade, in order not to escalate the situation into open conflict.

Apepistan wrote:
UnitedStatesOfScouting wrote:In an effort to harm and disrupt their trade, I propose to make a ZAR-wide trade embargo and blockade. [...] Furthermore, I propose naval escorts continue for a period of 2 weeks after the initial embargo, if nothing happens, we can probably call them off after that time period has passed.  

Failure to run this route, which is the only route left open to us by the WTU, will allow other trade leagues and nations run over us. We need to show that we are not to be messed with and that we will hold nations accountable for their acts of war against our trade league.

Apepistan proposes that we only embargo the WTU members. A blockade is not needed, obviously, we don't want to escalate this situation into an open conflict.

However, Eurussia is an observer state to the ZAR aswell and member of the WTU. Apepistan also signed a separate trade agreement with Eurussia. Therefore we propose that the WTU embargo will not include Eurussia.

We agree with the 2 weeks for naval escort.


The United Kingdoms of Apepistan constantly tried to ease the tensions, both with asking the WTU for a discussion, asking Eurussia to hold the discussion, and by continously trying to lighten or prevent ZAR countermeasurement; for example the request we cited above, or later by voting against the embargo while the peace talks were on, voting against an embargo even after the peace talks were over (this also proves our point, why would we vote against our own proposal?), and asking our ally, Artite, not to intervene with this issue.

Yet again, we are sad to see that the diplomatic insults and falsifications made by Scottlands remain not even unaddressed, but unmentioned aswell. Namely Scottlands claiming ZAR to be a military organisation, and Apepistan as the leader of ZAR, WTU claiming certain ZAR states as member states (Azotakza, United States of Scouting), the threatening and insulting letter sent to our monarch by the President of Scottlands. None of these are even mentioned. The United Kingdoms of Apepistan hopes that these issues finally won't get ignored. We either close the case including these aswell, or the United Kingdoms of Apepistan will be forced start a similiar case against Scottlands, for slander and moral damages.
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Re: (Resolved) Scottlands vs Apepistan

Post  UnitedStatesOfScouting on Thu Jan 08, 2015 6:22 pm

Scouting asks that Great Eurussia quotes the accused lie that Apepistan made.
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Re: (Resolved) Scottlands vs Apepistan

Post  Great Eurussia on Thu Jan 08, 2015 8:33 pm

UnitedStatesOfScouting wrote:Scouting asks that Great Eurussia quotes the accused lie that Apepistan made.

The President of the Security Council grants the request of a fellow SC Member State,

Apepistan wrote:
UnitedStatesOfScouting wrote:In an effort to harm and disrupt their trade, I propose to make a ZAR-wide trade embargo and blockade. [...] Furthermore, I propose naval escorts continue for a period of 2 weeks after the initial embargo, if nothing happens, we can probably call them off after that time period has passed.  

Failure to run this route, which is the only route left open to us by the WTU, will allow other trade leagues and nations run over us. We need to show that we are not to be messed with and that we will hold nations accountable for their acts of war against our trade league.


Apepistan proposes that we only embargo the WTU members. A blockade is not needed, obviously, we don't want to escalate this situation into an open conflict. 

However, Eurussia is an observer state to the ZAR aswell and member of the WTU. Apepistan also signed a separate trade agreement with Eurussia. Therefore we propose that the WTU embargo will not include Eurussia.

We agree with the 2 weeks for naval escort.
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Appeal Accepted

Post  Great Eurussia on Thu Jan 08, 2015 8:44 pm

Apepistan wrote:The United Kingdoms of Apepistan did not propose to embargo the WTU.

The United States of Scouting proposed the embargo and a blockade, to which the United Kingdoms of Apepistan expressed their opinion of it being too extreme, and asked to lighten the proposal in order not to escalate conflicts. It was not a separate proposal, but the request to modify an already existing proposal. See our fist post regarding the issue.

Quote from the first reply regarding the embaro:
The ZAR embargo was proposed as a counter measurement after WTU has refused discussions. First it was mentioned by the United States of Scouting along with a blockade, but the United Kingdoms of Apepistan were against the blockade, in order not to escalate the situation into open conflict.

Apepistan wrote:
UnitedStatesOfScouting wrote:In an effort to harm and disrupt their trade, I propose to make a ZAR-wide trade embargo and blockade. [...] Furthermore, I propose naval escorts continue for a period of 2 weeks after the initial embargo, if nothing happens, we can probably call them off after that time period has passed.  

Failure to run this route, which is the only route left open to us by the WTU, will allow other trade leagues and nations run over us. We need to show that we are not to be messed with and that we will hold nations accountable for their acts of war against our trade league.

Apepistan proposes that we only embargo the WTU members. A blockade is not needed, obviously, we don't want to escalate this situation into an open conflict.

However, Eurussia is an observer state to the ZAR aswell and member of the WTU. Apepistan also signed a separate trade agreement with Eurussia. Therefore we propose that the WTU embargo will not include Eurussia.

We agree with the 2 weeks for naval escort.


The United Kingdoms of Apepistan constantly tried to ease the tensions, both with asking the WTU for a discussion, asking Eurussia to hold the discussion, and by continously trying to lighten or prevent ZAR countermeasurement; for example the request we cited above, or later by voting against the embargo while the peace talks were on, voting against an embargo even after the peace talks were over (this also proves our point, why would we vote against our own proposal?), and asking our ally, Artite, not to intervene with this issue.


The SC considers this as an appeal from Apepistan. And thus, accepted.

Yet again, we are sad to see that the diplomatic insults and falsifications made by Scottlands remain not even unaddressed, but unmentioned aswell. Namely Scottlands claiming ZAR to be a military organisation, and Apepistan as the leader of ZAR, WTU claiming certain ZAR states as member states (Azotakza, United States of Scouting), the threatening and insulting letter sent to our monarch by the President of Scottlands. None of these are even mentioned. The United Kingdoms of Apepistan hopes that these issues finally won't get ignored. We either close the case including these aswell, or the United Kingdoms of Apepistan will be forced start a similiar case against Scottlands, for slander and moral damages.


Although the President of the Security Council nor the Security Council is not compelled to explain its position most especially in an international case under its judicial authority, the initial recommendation is solely based on the complaint of Scottlands and was reviewed on the arguments issued by Apepistan directly contradicting the arguments of Scottlands and not anything else. Thus, ensuring that this case is treated in black and white. All cases are based on the arguments and evidences presented directly related to the case and arguments raised to ensure that the case stays on the issues at hand and not on anything else. If any outcome of this case results to another case, all nation states have the freedom to do so to uphold and preserve their interests under the rule of international law. - These statements are issued to guide the international community on the conduct of the Security Council on the exercise of its functions and authority under international laws and in no way should be treated as a statement to defend itself and neither Apepistan nor Scottlands. Thank you.


A new judicial decision will be issued soon.
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After Appeal Conclusion & Recommendation

Post  Great Eurussia on Thu Jan 08, 2015 10:39 pm

Having received an appeal from Apepistan, the SC is pleased to announce the following:

Conclusion: The Republic of Scottlands accused the United Kingdoms of Apepistan of accusing the World Trade Union of sinking a ship of the Zaristic League of Trade with failure to provide any evidence and even proposed an embargo against an unidentified entity thus demanding for compensatory moral damages. While the United Kingdoms of Apepistan denied accusing the World Trade Union of sinking a ship of the Zaristic League of Trade and denied proposing an embargo against the World Trade Union. ANYHOW, the SC finds that Apepistan did not accused the World Trade Union of sinking a ship of the Zaristic League of Trade but finds that Apepistan did proposed an embargo against the World Trade Union which we find doesn't meet the complaint of Scottlands since it did not mention any target of embargo of Apepistan. These findings contradict the denial of Apepistan that it did not proposed an embargo against the World Trade Union. After appeal, the SC believes that the arguments of Apepistan that it did not propose an embargo against the World Trade Union are contradicting themselves since its request to modify the initial proposal of embargo by another member state involved only the removal of a proposed blockade but keeps the embargo qualifies and is tantamount to proposing still an embargo by virtue of its own public statement of 'proposing.'

Recommendation: Citing the conclusions above and the appeal from Scottlands, the President of the Security Council hereby recommends to the SC, under its judicial authority, not to act on the case, Scottlands vs Apepistan, since the conclusions are not limited to Scottlands and Apepistan alone but involves the entirety of both the World Trade Union and the Zaristic League of Trade, which are international organizations composed of several other nation states, which at the same time are not direct parties to this case. However, citing that Apepistan did not purposely lied to the Security Council, it will not be fined anymore with €10 million euros. Omega Atlantica and Artite are still fined with €1 million euros and €5 million euros respectively due to Omega Atlantica interfering in the proceedings without explicit permission from neither Parties nor the SC, the same thing applies to Artite which also interrupted the proceedings and made disrespectful threats against a co-equal sovereign state in front of the Security Council. All fines shall be payable to the Security Council of the World Alliance.

AT THIS MOMENT, an appeal from Scottlands against the latest recommendation will be welcomed within one (1) day. Otherwise, the SC will then vote. So ordered.
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Re: (Resolved) Scottlands vs Apepistan

Post  Apepistan on Mon Jan 12, 2015 4:43 pm

Can we finally close this case?
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Re: (Resolved) Scottlands vs Apepistan

Post  UnitedStatesOfScouting on Mon Jan 12, 2015 9:17 pm

Considering it's well past the time suggested for the Security Council to vote, I will cast the first vote;

Scouting is In Favor of this outcome.
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Re: (Resolved) Scottlands vs Apepistan

Post  Muchos Estados Unidos on Tue Jan 13, 2015 6:15 pm

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Post  Great Eurussia on Tue Jan 13, 2015 7:41 pm

Apepistan wrote:Can we finally close this case?

Conclusion: The Republic of Scottlands accused the United Kingdoms of Apepistan of accusing the World Trade Union of sinking a ship of the Zaristic League of Trade with failure to provide any evidence and even proposed an embargo against an unidentified entity thus demanding for compensatory moral damages. While the United Kingdoms of Apepistan denied accusing the World Trade Union of sinking a ship of the Zaristic League of Trade and denied proposing an embargo against the World Trade Union. ANYHOW, the SC finds that Apepistan did not accused the World Trade Union of sinking a ship of the Zaristic League of Trade but finds that Apepistan did proposed an embargo against the World Trade Union which we find doesn't meet the complaint of Scottlands since it did not mention any target of embargo of Apepistan. These findings contradict the denial of Apepistan that it did not proposed an embargo against the World Trade Union. After appeal, the SC believes that the arguments of Apepistan that it did not propose an embargo against the World Trade Union are contradicting themselves since its request to modify the initial proposal of embargo by another member state involved only the removal of a proposed blockade but keeps the embargo qualifies and is tantamount to proposing still an embargo by virtue of its own public statement of 'proposing.'

Recommendation: Citing the conclusions above and the appeal from Scottlands, the President of the Security Council hereby recommends to the SC, under its judicial authority, not to act on the case, Scottlands vs Apepistan, since the conclusions are not limited to Scottlands and Apepistan alone but involves the entirety of both the World Trade Union and the Zaristic League of Trade, which are international organizations composed of several other nation states, which at the same time are not direct parties to this case. However, citing that Apepistan did not purposely lied to the Security Council, it will not be fined anymore with €10 million euros. Omega Atlantica and Artite are still fined with €1 million euros and €5 million euros respectively due to Omega Atlantica interfering in the proceedings without explicit permission from neither Parties nor the SC, the same thing applies to Artite which also interrupted the proceedings and made disrespectful threats against a co-equal sovereign state in front of the Security Council. All fines shall be payable to the Security Council of the World Alliance.

CITING NO APPEAL FROM SCOTTLANDS, the Security Council, except for Scottlands, may now vote to enforce the Official Conclusion & Recommendation. Otherwise, the case will still be treated as resolved but its decision will be unenforceable. Nine (9) votes are required to give effect to the recommendation. So ordered.
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Re: (Resolved) Scottlands vs Apepistan

Post  Snarfian Federation on Wed Jan 14, 2015 12:16 am

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Re: (Resolved) Scottlands vs Apepistan

Post  Serenarea on Wed Jan 14, 2015 6:05 am

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Re: (Resolved) Scottlands vs Apepistan

Post  UnitedStatesOfScouting on Wed Jan 14, 2015 6:24 am

Scouting is in Favor.
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Eurussian Vote

Post  Great Eurussia on Thu Jan 15, 2015 11:08 pm

Eurussia abstains.
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Re: (Resolved) Scottlands vs Apepistan

Post  Kingdom of Scottlands on Thu Jan 22, 2015 3:32 am

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Re: (Resolved) Scottlands vs Apepistan

Post  The Holy Empire of Artite on Thu Jan 22, 2015 4:17 am

You want me to pay a fine for protecting my ally against the threats of Scottland? Please show the evidence of this. I stated what I would do if such actions were taken against Apepistan.
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Post  Great Eurussia on Thu Jan 22, 2015 9:33 pm

Votes will still be counted within the next one (1) day and this case will be closed.
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Post  Great Eurussia on Sat Jan 24, 2015 11:14 pm

Great Eurussia wrote:Votes will still be counted within the next one (1) day and this case will be closed.


Case is now closed and resolved.
Withou enforceable verdict.
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