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Post  Great Eurussia on Sat Jan 31, 2015 9:55 pm



WASC SECONDARY SEATS ACT
Authored by the Empire of Great Eurussia


This is a legislative RP/OOC proposal.

Following the Security Council Membership Reforms Fora initiated by Wirbanskia, the Eurussian Government will be please to introduce to the SC our proposal during the fora that has received motions and statements of support from our fellow sovereign states. The said proposal particularly aims not to alter the voting system nor the existing setup of the Security Council but increase participation from more nation states to the business of governance of the SC to the entire world by introducing secondary seats with accompanying privileges but lesser to those that carry the primary seats in the Security Council.
However, our proposal aims to increase interaction among nations and at the same time increase healthy political competition among nations to increase the activities of the Security Council and as well as bring more pressure to the Security Council in terms of accountability, dignity, responsibility, and activeness. Hence, we formally propose the WASC Secondary Seats Act.
Section 1) This Act shall be considered a supplementary and inferior Act to the existing WA Security Council Act which shall remain the superior binding law.
Section 2) The Security Council shall allow more seats to its composition with thirteen more seats of representation representing each continent of the world which shall serve as the secondary seats of the Security Council. In support to the primary seats of the SC covered by the WASC Act.
Section 3) By virtue of the preceding provision, the SC can be considered composed of twenty eight member states representing twenty eight seats whereby twenty six of which represents the thirteen continents with two seats each. And the seats of Vice Presidency and Presidency. However, such enlarged composition shall in no way alter the prevailing voting system of the Security Council as prescribed by the WASC Act.
Section 4) The secondary seats of the SC as provided by this Act shall not enjoy the privileges or rights ganted to the primary seats of the SC, unless otherwise explicitly provided for by this Act. But the system of accession and dismissal from the Security Council shall be governed by the provisions of the WASC Act.
Section 5) The secondary seats of the SC shall be allowed to share their opinions on executive and legislative issues, and as well as submit legislative proposals. Thus, with exception on sharing opinions on judicial matters and the submission of executive resolutions.
Section 6) The secondary seats of the SC may exercise to vote on executive and legislative matters (except judicial matters), ONLY, if their counterparts on the primary seats have not yet issued their vote nor refused to vote. And if such is the case, the votes of the primary seat holders shall not be counted nor be honored anymore. It is up to each continental primary and secondary seat holders to exercise due diligence nor consult each other.
Section 7) Each secondary seat holders may request the SC to vote to allow its nation to become the primary seat holders and make the primary seat holder become the secondary seat holder for whatever grounds effectively switching each others' seats of representation on their continent. In this case, the concerned nations shall be prohibited to vote to avoid conflict of interests.
So ordered.


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Post  Muchos Estados Unidos on Sun Feb 01, 2015 12:04 am

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Post  UnitedStatesOfScouting on Sun Feb 01, 2015 1:25 am

Great Eurussia wrote:


WASC SECONDARY SEATS ACT
Authored by the Empire of Great Eurussia


This is a legislative RP/OOC proposal.

Following the Security Council Membership Reforms Fora initiated by Wirbanskia, the Eurussian Government will be please to introduce to the SC our proposal during the fora that has received motions and statements of support from our fellow sovereign states. The said proposal particularly aims not to alter the voting system nor the existing setup of the Security Council but increase participation from more nation states to the business of governance of the SC to the entire world by introducing secondary seats with accompanying privileges but lesser to those that carry the primary seats in the Security Council.
However, our proposal aims to increase interaction among nations and at the same time increase healthy political competition among nations to increase the activities of the Security Council and as well as bring more pressure to the Security Council in terms of accountability, dignity, responsibility, and activeness. Hence, we formally propose the WASC Secondary Seats Act.
Section 1) This Act shall be considered a supplementary and inferior Act to the existing WA Security Council Act which shall remain the superior binding law.
Section 2) The Security Council shall allow more seats to its composition with thirteen more seats of representation representing each continent of the world which shall serve as the secondary seats of the Security Council. In support to the primary seats of the SC covered by the WASC Act.
Section 3) By virtue of the preceding provision, the SC can be considered composed of twenty eight member states representing twenty eight seats whereby twenty six of which represents the thirteen continents with two seats each. And the seats of Vice Presidency and Presidency. However, such enlarged composition shall in no way alter the prevailing voting system of the Security Council as prescribed by the WASC Act.
Section 4) The secondary seats of the SC as provided by this Act shall not enjoy the privileges or rights ganted to the primary seats of the SC, unless otherwise explicitly provided for by this Act. But the system of accession and dismissal from the Security Council shall be governed by the provisions of the WASC Act.
Section 5) The secondary seats of the SC shall be allowed to share their opinions on executive and legislative issues, and as well as submit legislative proposals. Thus, with exception on sharing opinions on judicial matters and the submission of executive resolutions.
Section 6) The secondary seats of the SC may exercise to vote on executive and legislative matters (except judicial matters), ONLY, if their counterparts on the primary seats have not yet issued their vote nor refused to vote. And if such is the case, the votes of the primary seat holders shall not be counted nor be honored anymore. It is up to each continental primary and secondary seat holders to exercise due diligence nor consult each other.
Section 7) Each secondary seat holders may request the SC to vote to allow its nation to become the primary seat holders and make the primary seat holder become the secondary seat holder for whatever grounds effectively switching each others' seats of representation on their continent. In this case, the concerned nations shall be prohibited to vote to avoid conflict of interests.
So ordered.

The legislative proposal is open for three (3) days debate and amendments.
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Post  UnitedStatesOfScouting on Sun Feb 01, 2015 1:26 am

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Post  Serenarea on Sun Feb 01, 2015 4:50 am

AGAINST.


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Post  Kingdom of Ireland on Sun Feb 01, 2015 6:59 am

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Post  DPRNK on Sun Feb 01, 2015 8:04 am

I think this is a good proposal. Favor.
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Post  Great Eurussia on Sun Feb 01, 2015 11:16 am

UnitedStatesOfScouting wrote:Against

Serenarea wrote:AGAINST.

Empire of Russia wrote:Against


We hope to know the reasons for objections since we find the proposal to be of in the good and the best of the Security Council. As motions of support have been expressed on the previous open discussions.
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Post  Kingdom of Ireland on Sun Feb 01, 2015 11:20 am

I just dont think we have enough people for this
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Post  UnitedStatesOfScouting on Sun Feb 01, 2015 11:23 am

Empire of Russia wrote:I just dont think we have enough people for this

Enough active and serious people, I second Russia.
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Post  Great Eurussia on Sun Feb 01, 2015 11:25 am

Empire of Russia wrote:I just dont think we have enough people for this

Indeed. But it doesn't even require to fill all the existing seats. This just aim to ensure that all those holding primary seats (especially those inactive) to feel competition with secondary seat holders to force them to be active due to existing pressure from a secondary seat holder and the probability of getting replaced, without the threat of being kicked out from the Security Council. Just a matter of healthy competition within the SC.
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Post  Kingdom of Ireland on Sun Feb 01, 2015 11:26 am

The aim behind this bill is good.But I feel that we dont have enough serious people right now.
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Post  Great Eurussia on Sun Feb 01, 2015 11:31 am

Empire of Russia wrote:The aim behind this bill is good.But I feel that we dont have enough serious people right now.


Thank you. But we do believe it is not a reason not to pass this proposal anyway.
We may not have nations for it now (as you assumed), but in the future.
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Post  DPRNK on Sun Feb 01, 2015 3:22 pm

Great Eurussia wrote:
Empire of Russia wrote:I just dont think we have enough people for this

Indeed. But it doesn't even require to fill all the existing seats. This just aim to ensure that all those holding primary seats (especially those inactive) to feel competition with secondary seat holders to force them to be active due to existing pressure from a secondary seat holder and the probability of getting replaced, without the threat of being kicked out from the Security Council. Just a matter of healthy competition within the SC.

I am convinced. I support we are in favour.
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Post  Snarfian Federation on Sun Feb 01, 2015 7:27 pm

Hmm Abstain for now
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Post  Great Eurussia on Mon Feb 02, 2015 12:54 pm

Snarfia wrote:Hmm Abstain for now

We wish to know the reasoning for the abstention.
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Post  New Rhodinia on Mon Feb 02, 2015 2:14 pm

We have a number of problems regarding this:

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Section 4) The secondary seats of the SC as provided by this Act shall not enjoy the privileges or rights ganted to the primary seats of the SC, unless otherwise explicitly provided for by this Act. But the system of accession and dismissal from the Security Council shall be governed by the provisions of the WASC Act.
Section 5) The secondary seats of the SC shall be allowed to share their opinions on executive and legislative issues, and as well as submit legislative proposals. Thus, with exception on sharing opinions on judicial matters and the submission of executive resolutions.


Doesn't the first sentence of Section 4 become nullified since you stated that secondary seats can submit legislative proposals (which is the most basic right any council member has  to begin with)?


Great Eurussia wrote:Section 6) The secondary seats of the SC may exercise to vote on executive and legislative matters (except judicial matters), ONLY, if their counterparts on the primary seats have not yet issued their vote nor refused to vote. And if such is the case, the votes of the primary seat holders shall not be counted nor be honored anymore. It is up to each continental primary and secondary seat holders to exercise due diligence nor consult each other.

Isn't this essentially the same as just talking to constituents? If it's the case, this pretty much just makes another primary seat holder just with less rights. What if the primary seat holder doesn't vote on judicial cases all that much? It still renders the continent pretty much useless then.

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Section 7) Each secondary seat holders may request the SC to vote to allow its nation to become the primary seat holders and make the primary seat holder become the secondary seat holder for whatever grounds effectively switching each others' seats of representation on their continent. In this case, the concerned nations shall be prohibited to vote to avoid conflict of interests.

This problem can easily be tackled by having a continental election. Nations on the continent can just say they want another representative and if there are enough votes, a new council member is elected. Having this switch mechanic just encourages more political heat and competition between nations vying for both the primary seat and secondary seat.
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Post  Great Eurussia on Mon Feb 02, 2015 7:16 pm

New Rhodinia wrote:We have a number of problems regarding this:

Great Eurussia wrote:
Section 4) The secondary seats of the SC as provided by this Act shall not enjoy the privileges or rights ganted to the primary seats of the SC, unless otherwise explicitly provided for by this Act. But the system of accession and dismissal from the Security Council shall be governed by the provisions of the WASC Act.
Section 5) The secondary seats of the SC shall be allowed to share their opinions on executive and legislative issues, and as well as submit legislative proposals. Thus, with exception on sharing opinions on judicial matters and the submission of executive resolutions.


Doesn't the first sentence of Section 4 become nullified since you stated that secondary seats can submit legislative proposals (which is the most basic right any council member has  to begin with)?

We beg to disagree. The first sentence has its continuation, and it is highlighted. Furthermore, in case you haven't realized how powerful SC members are, the SC doesn't just pass laws as what you assume. It has executive, legislative, and judicial authority above all nation states of the World Alliance. 

Great Eurussia wrote:Section 6) The secondary seats of the SC may exercise to vote on executive and legislative matters (except judicial matters), ONLY, if their counterparts on the primary seats have not yet issued their vote nor refused to vote. And if such is the case, the votes of the primary seat holders shall not be counted nor be honored anymore. It is up to each continental primary and secondary seat holders to exercise due diligence nor consult each other.

Isn't this essentially the same as just talking to constituents? If it's the case, this pretty much just makes another primary seat holder just with less rights. What if the primary seat holder doesn't vote on judicial cases all that much? It still renders the continent pretty much useless then.


It is just in our opinion and belief that judicial issues are extremely sensitive due to their legal weight. But if you think it will be better to include judicial matters to be voted by secondary seat holders (as per conditions stipulated), we will be glad to incorporate it.


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Section 7) Each secondary seat holders may request the SC to vote to allow its nation to become the primary seat holders and make the primary seat holder become the secondary seat holder for whatever grounds effectively switching each others' seats of representation on their continent. In this case, the concerned nations shall be prohibited to vote to avoid conflict of interests.

This problem can easily be tackled by having a continental election. Nations on the continent can just say they want another representative and if there are enough votes, a new council member is elected. Having this switch mechanic just encourages more political heat and competition between nations vying for both the primary seat and secondary seat.


Indeed. Your observation in promoting healthy political competition is a necessity to keep the activity of the Security Council and that is what this proposal also promotes. And maintain pressure among all seat holders in the SC.

On the issue of election, we have an on-going forum on that, but just like before, continental elections are good if there are lots of nations in ALL continents. But as usually the outcome of election discussions, it all come on the same conclusion that it is best to have many nations around. But since we haven't reached that point yet, the proposal allows this form of mechanism to promote cooperation on continents with many nations.

And just for your information, a law has been in placed for so long, the WASC Act, that sets possible preconditions for international continental elections that attends to your ideas for continental cooperation. It is also under talks on the current discussions about elections. But nonetheless, we are pleased to share this with you.


Section 9 - Election
The WASC, particularly its incumbent composition, the Tenth Security Council, shall schedule a general election for the succeeding WASC through a legislation provided that there are at least three nation states in each of the continent of the World Alliance whereby each continent shall elect their representatives to the WASC which will then comprise the thirteen (13) member states of the WASC. After their proclamation, the Founder and the WA Delegate shall then become honorary member states of the WASC perpetually effectively dissolving the Tenth Security Council succeeded by the new WASC upon taking office on the first day of the succeeding month after the month of the scheduled general election of the WA.
Thereafter, all member states of the new WASC shall elect their President and Vice President, by majority vote, among themselves which they can still change anytime still by virtue of majority votes throughout their term. Each WASC shall have a term of three months.



Eurussia hopes we have convinced New Rhodinia to support the proposal due to its positive effects to the Security Council and all the continents of the WA.
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Post  Great Eurussia on Mon Feb 02, 2015 8:17 pm

China China wrote:
People's Republic of China China favor to proposal


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Post  Snarfian Federation on Mon Feb 02, 2015 10:32 pm

Snarfia changes its vote too Favor
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Post  DPRNK on Mon Feb 02, 2015 11:41 pm

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Post  Ebsotz on Tue Feb 03, 2015 7:39 am

Ebsotz believes we will need serious and active members. But, we are in favor.
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Post  Zanland on Tue Feb 03, 2015 9:27 am

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Post  Muchos Estados Unidos on Tue Feb 03, 2015 11:37 am

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Post  New Rhodinia on Tue Feb 03, 2015 12:49 pm

We still feel too conflicted about the results so we will be abstaining from this proposal.
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