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Post  DPRNK on Tue Mar 24, 2015 1:48 am

My proposal wants to declare war as illegal and all countries doing that must be punished. 

1) War is illegal. If countries makes war without being attacked and for no reasons, they must be punished.
2) Countries making wars must pay fine of 1 billion dollars and pay their victim countries 1 billion dollars per month for 10 years.
3) Countries making wars amd countries supporting that wars and supplying weapons to wars must be punished.
4) Countries making wars must have sanctions, embargoes by world nations for 10 years.
5) Countries making wars where leaders must be put to international court for trial and punishmemt including military officers and government.


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Post  New Rhodinia on Tue Mar 24, 2015 4:17 am

Republic of New Korrea wrote:1) War is illegal. If countries makes war without being attacked and for no reasons, they must be punished.

An inconsistency right off the bat: How can war be illegal but also allowed if you have justifiable reasoning?

Republic of New Korrea wrote:2) Countries making wars must pay fine of 1 billion dollars and pay their victim countries 1 billion dollars per month for 10 years.

Again, this can't be approached without point 1 being addressed more clearly.

Republic of New Korrea wrote:3) Countries making wars amd countries supporting that wars and supplying weapons to wars must be punished.

Once again, cannot be addressed until past points have been.

Republic of New Korrea wrote:4) Countries making wars must have sanctions, embargoes by world nations for 10 years.

And again...

Republic of New Korrea wrote:5) Countries making wars where leaders must be put to international court for trial and punishmemt including military officers and government.

And... again.

This proposal is horribly organized and, in our opinion, puts way too much pressure on wars. War can be justified, but the actions taken during them are usually not.
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Re: (Dismissed) World War Ban Act

Post  Shockwave on Tue Mar 24, 2015 5:16 am

Wirbanskia is Against
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Post  Kingdom of Ireland on Tue Mar 24, 2015 5:39 am

While I am not the biggest fan of war I am opposed to this. I would support this if it said that if a person starts a war without probable cause and warning then they will be charged. But how do you plan to stop war out right?
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Post  Trinity Sector on Tue Mar 24, 2015 7:20 am

You cannot supress the will of man from fighting or even declaring war on each other. It's these kinds of documents that start wars then ending them. I may not be on the council, but you better know that I do not support this.
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Post  Shockwave on Tue Mar 24, 2015 8:40 am

For those wishing to make conversation about WASC matters but are not on the SC please initiate conversation here> http://worldalliance.postalboard.com/t723-wasc-global-discussions

Trinity, your opinion is better served in the appropriate thread for Non-WASC members.
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Post  Muchos Estados Unidos on Tue Mar 24, 2015 10:52 am

MEU is abstaining.
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Re: (Dismissed) World War Ban Act

Post  DPRNK on Tue Mar 24, 2015 12:41 pm

Empire of Russia wrote:While I am not the biggest fan of war I am opposed to this. I would support this if it said that if a person starts a war without probable cause and warning then they will be charged. But how do you plan to stop war out right?

It says it is illegal to make wars if you are not attacked because it means self defense which is allowed right?
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Post  Great Eurussia on Wed Mar 25, 2015 7:32 am

Republic of New Korrea wrote:My proposal wants to declare war as illegal and all countries doing that must be punished. 

1) War is illegal. If countries makes war without being attacked and for no reasons, they must be punished.
2) Countries making wars must pay fine of 1 billion dollars and pay their victim countries 1 billion dollars per month for 10 years.
3) Countries making wars amd countries supporting that wars and supplying weapons to wars must be punished.
4) Countries making wars must have sanctions, embargoes by world nations for 10 years.
5) Countries making wars where leaders must be put to international court for trial and punishmemt including military officers and government.


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Post  Kingdom of Ireland on Wed Mar 25, 2015 8:34 am

"2) Countries making wars must pay fine of 1 billion dollars and pay their victim countries 1 billion dollars per month for 10 years."


It would be better if a country if forced to pay the damages no more no less. Not all wars equal 120 Billion dollars in damages.
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Post  Great Eurussia on Fri Mar 27, 2015 11:33 am

Republic of New Korrea wrote:My proposal wants to declare war as illegal and all countries doing that must be punished. 

1) War is illegal. If countries makes war without being attacked and for no reasons, they must be punished.
2) Countries making wars must pay fine of 1 billion dollars and pay their victim countries 1 billion dollars per month for 10 years.
3) Countries making wars amd countries supporting that wars and supplying weapons to wars must be punished.
4) Countries making wars must have sanctions, embargoes by world nations for 10 years.
5) Countries making wars where leaders must be put to international court for trial and punishmemt including military officers and government.


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The Eurussian Government commends the New Korrean Government for the intentions and objectives of the the proposal. However, we would like to make our views known about this proposal:

1) This is acceptable. And gives leeway to the SC on how to enforce consequences to nations that could violate this provision.

2) We agree with Russia, damages from a war cannot be limited to $120 billion dollars a year or more than a trillion dollars after ten years. We suggest for a criteria or level of guide for the Security Council to measure the compensation for nations that subject to finance war compensation.

3) This is acceptable.

4) We suggest that the determination of how long a sanction should stay should be left determined by the Security Council. However, our concerns are the implications of forcing nations to follow Security Council sanctions on their right to exercise sovereignty?

5) Eurussia is against this.

We hope our concerns will be addressed accordingly.
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Re: (Dismissed) World War Ban Act

Post  Serenarea on Sat Mar 28, 2015 7:08 am

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Post  Great Eurussia on Sat Mar 28, 2015 2:32 pm

Great Eurussia wrote:
Republic of New Korrea wrote:My proposal wants to declare war as illegal and all countries doing that must be punished. 

1) War is illegal. If countries makes war without being attacked and for no reasons, they must be punished.
2) Countries making wars must pay fine of 1 billion dollars and pay their victim countries 1 billion dollars per month for 10 years.
3) Countries making wars amd countries supporting that wars and supplying weapons to wars must be punished.
4) Countries making wars must have sanctions, embargoes by world nations for 10 years.
5) Countries making wars where leaders must be put to international court for trial and punishmemt including military officers and government.


Please support.

The legislative proposal may now be debated within three (3) days.

The proposal may now be voted within two (2) days.
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Post  Great Eurussia on Sat Mar 28, 2015 2:32 pm

Eurussia abstains.
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Re: (Dismissed) World War Ban Act

Post  Shockwave on Sun Mar 29, 2015 12:04 am

As stated before, Wirbanskia is Against
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Re: (Dismissed) World War Ban Act

Post  DPRNK on Sun Mar 29, 2015 10:17 am

FOR this will stop the kind of invasion and wars experienced by my country. I am helping everyone not to experience the same abuse by imperialist through this proposal.
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Post  UnitedStatesOfScouting on Mon Mar 30, 2015 3:14 am

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Post  Snarfian Federation on Mon Mar 30, 2015 11:38 am

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Re: (Dismissed) World War Ban Act

Post  Apepistan on Thu Apr 02, 2015 8:39 pm

Republic of New Korrea wrote:
1) War is illegal. If countries makes war without being attacked and for no reasons, they must be punished.
2) Countries making wars must pay fine of 1 billion dollars and pay their victim countries 1 billion dollars per month for 10 years.
3) Countries making wars amd countries supporting that wars and supplying weapons to wars must be punished.
4) Countries making wars must have sanctions, embargoes by world nations for 10 years.
5) Countries making wars where leaders must be put to international court for trial and punishmemt including military officers and government.

1.1. The United Kingdoms find it obvious that every nations should have the right to defend themselves.
1.2. "for no reason" is not clear enough. To make this proposal work, we would need to work out a list of casus belli, separating acceptable and unacceptable ones. Even that would be pointless, in our opinion, since every casus belli, even if they would fall in the same category, would differ because the overall situation would be different.

2. As it has been said before, compensation for war damages should not be set as a fix value, since all wars differ in damages. Collateral damage can not be avoided either.

3.1. They must be punished, yet this proposal sets no means for punishment.
3.2. This point is chaotic aswell. Why should a country that produces weapons and sells it be punished for what their weapons are used for? What if country A. sets an agreement of supplying country B. with weapons for 5 years, and then country B. goes to war? Why should a neutral country be responsible for someone elses actions?

4. Same concerns as point 2.


On another note. Would this proposal affect conventional wars only?

What about fourth generation warfare, unconventional warfare, proxy wars, etc.?
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Post  Great Eurussia on Thu Apr 02, 2015 10:55 pm

Great Eurussia wrote:
Great Eurussia wrote:
Republic of New Korrea wrote:My proposal wants to declare war as illegal and all countries doing that must be punished. 

1) War is illegal. If countries makes war without being attacked and for no reasons, they must be punished.
2) Countries making wars must pay fine of 1 billion dollars and pay their victim countries 1 billion dollars per month for 10 years.
3) Countries making wars amd countries supporting that wars and supplying weapons to wars must be punished.
4) Countries making wars must have sanctions, embargoes by world nations for 10 years.
5) Countries making wars where leaders must be put to international court for trial and punishmemt including military officers and government.


Please support.

The legislative proposal may now be debated within three (3) days.

The proposal may now be voted within two (2) days.


With the outcome of 1-4-2 (Y-A-N), the proposal is officially dismissed.
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